[Wikipedia-l] Jimbo ? Others advices ?

[Guillaume Blanchard]

There are a BIG incomprehension in this debate (perhaps due to our poor
english).
We are not obscurantist who want to hide the reality and show a clean world
where everyone are friends !
I think we all agree the better way to speak about racism is to explain with
a neutral point of view the different way of thinking. And we don't think
the actual version of articles we re-wrote are good articles.

Philippe created articles he describe himself as not NPOV. But more than not
NPOV, many french wikipedians think they were false, racist or anti-Semite.
Create a good article on racism can't be done speedily, so our problem was,
what to do with those article until we will be able to propose a NPOV
version. My solution was to put the article in the talk page and use the
usable information of his articles (there are some) and add our own
research.

Aoineko

> Wow!  This was a fantastic paragraph, buried in Brion's longer letter,
> and it was so good I wanted to just reproduce it here to highlight it.
>
> Brion Vibber wrote:
> > The current versions of these articles aren't necessarily the best way
> > to handle it; I think they would do better to discuss *and debunk*
> > racist notions as much as possible, putting them in the proper context
> > so when some kid hears about "racialism" or "reverse racism" and then
> > looks it up on Wikipedia they'll see a rational, neutral explanation of
> > what makes some people think and speak that way -- so they'll
> > _understand_ why to discount those ideas. Pretending the terms don't
> > exist or saying "oh, that's just what RACISTS think, if you touch them
> > it might rub off on you! stay away!" strikes me as ineffective, or even
> > counterproductive ("look, those Wikipedians are so biased they're afraid
> > to take us on rationally!"). There are lessons to be learned from the
> > evil that men do.
>
> --Jimbo
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