[Wikipedia-l] peace and brainstorms (rant warning)

Chuck Smith msochuck at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 13 06:11:21 UTC 2002


Peace is cool.  I don't believe The Cunctator, Nirwin
or Larry Sanger are trolls.  I remember our page on
The Wikipedia Militia, but that was more about newbies
than trolls if I remember correctly.  My first
response to combat trolls was to form lots of software
solutions, but going to war really doesn't do any
good.  When we build up things to protect us from
vandals, they just build better software solutions to
vandalize, and we just build... ad nauseum.

24 is different from everyone so far because no one
else has even denied someone their personhood or
refused to login and participate in the community. 
Yes, I did take his comment personally about being a
non-person and I'll admit that... so as far as I'm
concerned he caused me bodily harm.  heh  Of course,
it may eventually come to a point like protecting the
homepage that we have to only allow logged in users to
participate.  It will be sad if it reaches that point,
but the day may come.  :(

I thought about dropping out of the English Wikipedia
project because it was just getting too emotional, but
decided that would just be letting him win his little
game.  Yes, I will call him a him (instead of it)
because he deserves to be treated as a person even if
he's not acting like it.

I think we need to really plan ahead and figure out
how to peacefully defend against this kind of attack
without losing too much of our resources as a result. 
Imagine if you will that we have our own world (and in
a way we do, but stick with me here...) and we accept
everybody then what do we do with those who don't
follow the community guidelines?

Sorry for the rambles, but the whole idea of
punishment for crimes seems dreadfully obsolete (and
it wouldn't even work in this case anyway) and I'm
trying to see alternatives, but I can't think of any. 
I remember that when I worked for about.com, we had a
conference call at one point and it was really cool,
but I'm not sure if that would really work in this
situation, but it might be worth thinking about.

BTW, this is all complete brainstorm... my uncensored
thoughts, scary, eh?  :)  Remember, we're making
ground-breaking history here, so we're going to
encounter problems that have never been faced
before... and finally, thanks to everybody for all
I've learned working on this project, remember it is
worth all the hard work!  :-)

Chuck

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