[Wikinews-l] Wikipedia's 'In the news'

Tue May 26 10:56:48 UTC 2009

But News is news. And an encyclopedia is not news. I am not saying to 
force anyone to contribute anywhere, but to contribute to the items 
where those items are supposed to be. And that means no news on 
Wikipedia. I mean seriously...we have to tell people all the time we are 
not Wikipedia. They should be required to do the same.
]
Jason

bawolff wrote:
> [cross posted like how the original message was cross posted,
> hopefully thats ok]
>
> To take the unpopular side, I've always gone to the wikipedia news
> section for different reasons than i go to wikinews. Sometimes I want
> a news story, sometimes I want an encyclopedia article on a current
> event. They aren't really the same thing, and i personally like both
>
> -bawolff
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM, cirt tric <cirt.wik at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Wikinews Importer Bot has helped improve the amount of links incoming to
>> Wikinews' Main Page and to individual Wikinews articles - Perhaps not
>> directly from en.wikipedia's Main Page itself - but certainly from Portal
>> pages, and pretty prominently at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org>
>> wrote:
>>     
>>> Do we want the Wikipedia news people? They'd need to put in a lot more
>>> effort - at the moment they just make 2-3 sentences from an item that is
>>> being included in Wikipedia, and their work appears on the 8th most
>>> popular
>>> site on the Internet.
>>>
>>> Wikinews does okay having a link above the crease on WP's main page.
>>> Selling
>>> a link like that on the main page would probably be worth six figures,
>>> we're
>>> not capitalising on that. And we cannot order people from Wikipedia to
>>> work
>>> on Wikinews to do so. It is like the meta discussion on a global BLP, we
>>> don't want told what we can and can't write, let alone even risk it. WP
>>> people involved with their news section would not take kindly to being
>>> told
>>> to do a full report on Wikinews.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wikinews-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>>> [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jason
>>> Safoutin
>>> Sent: 25 May 2009 21:53
>>> To: Wikinews mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikipedia's 'In the news'
>>>
>>> That can already be done easily as it is now. Those who write the news
>>> on WP can write the news on WP. It should not be a matter of popularity,
>>> but a matter of getting out the most information, the easiest, quickest
>>> way possible, with as much *collaboration *as possible. As it is, with
>>> the contributions on WP for the news, we are not collaborating we are
>>> competing. It may or may not be an intentional competition but is its
>>> one. It seems the only time we get any contributors from WP is when they
>>> do something to piss everyone else off. When the incident is settled,
>>> they go back to writing news on WP...the same news that they were just
>>> writing on WN. So I am just lost as to what exactly the point of all
>>> this would be? Its like taking what WMF stands for and ignoring it
>>> because something may or may not be as popular as it was before.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jason Safoutin
>>> Wikinews accredited reporter and administrator
>>> jason.safoutin at wikinewsie.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian McNeil wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I would agree were Wikinews a far, far more active project. In such
>>>> circumstances Wikinews would do the news, and it would be filtered to a
>>>> small section on the Wikipedia main page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: wikinews-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jason
>>>>         
>>> Safoutin
>>>       
>>>> Sent: 25 May 2009 20:01
>>>> To: Wikinews mailing list
>>>> Cc: wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikipedia's 'In the news'
>>>>
>>>> I have my stance on Wikipedia and the news section. Wikipedia is an
>>>> online encyclopedia. Not a news site. Whether or not it was around
>>>> before Wikinews makes no difference. The mere fact that Wikipedia has a
>>>> news section, makes it almost like Wikinews is to compete with them.
>>>> There would be no real problem, other than those who would scream about
>>>> it, to move the Wikipedia news to Wikinews. There would be nothing lost
>>>> on Wikipedia, given the fact Wikinews and WP are run by the same
>>>> foundation and are all sister projects. I hear the same argument of
>>>> "Wikinews is not a reliable news site", but there is no logical reason
>>>> for Wikipedia to have a news section. It just seems, in my opinion, that
>>>> having it on Wikipedia, just takes one of the fundamental goals of WMF
>>>> away: collaboration.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
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>> Cirt
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