[Wikinews-l] Fwd: Wikinews internationalization

Sun Nov 18 02:19:24 UTC 2007

I'm not sure if this alreayd got here o not. Terinjokes asked me to forward.
-bawolff

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From:  <terinjokes at gmail.com>
Date: Nov 16, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews internationalization
To: bawolff+wn at gmail.com, Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l at lists.wikimedia.org>

you can add/update using phpmyadmin... i'll try to jump on IRC soon to help out

On 11/16/07, bawolff <bawolff+wn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you tried emailing Terinjokes? (I think i  have his email
> somewhere if you need it).
>
> -bawolff
> On Nov 16, 2007 3:23 AM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> > I'm not totally sure which are the most active Wikinews communities,
> offhand
> > I believe the Polish Wikinews does quite well.
> >
> > Where I oppose Adambro's stance is I think we should try and focus on
> > getting at least one or two contributors from non-English sites to do a
> > little work on en. and build a degree of trust. This becomes a point of
> > contact for finding out details like how many regular contributors, and
> the
> > provision of a summary of any candidate who wants accreditation.
> >
> > Assuming Milos' accreditation request goes through we'll end up likely
> > setting up scoop-sr at wikinewsie.org, I won't be able to read that so in
> this
> > instance it is perhaps better to add non-accredited addresses to the
> > forwarding so we're not looking at a single person being the contact for a
> > language edition.
> >
> > As a related issue... With Terinjokes gone I have no easy way to update
> the
> > accredited reporters on http://www.wikinewsie.org. The details are in an
> SQL
> > database, I managed to remove Ed Brown via the management console, but I
> > really need a form with the db password prompted for to add/edit entries.
> > I'm the only one with a profile up and that is bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian McNeil
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikinews-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Milos Rancic
> >
> > Sent: 16 November 2007 11:07
> > To: Wikinews mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews internationalization
> >
> > I want to make two related points before responses to the particular
> ideas.
> >
> > The first one is related to the size of the projects. Wikinews
> > communities will be much larger in the future. If everything goes
> > straight forward, it is reasonable to suppose that Wikinews community
> > will be larger then Wikipedian in the next 10 or 20 years. Simply,
> > while work on encyclopedia will require more and more specific
> > knowledge and skills, work as journalist will require more or less the
> > same knowledge and the same skills. However, community which is 10% of
> > Wikipedian community size is very large.
> >
> > The only body which is able to coordinate work on Wikipedias is WMF
> > and this is a Wikipedian problem. WMF's target is not content, but
> > housekeeping. There is no way how to impose to different projects even
> > some basic principles like NPOV is.
> >
> > Because of that cooperation on Wikinews wide level is not only a
> > matter of small communities, but it is a matter of thinking about the
> > future. Wikinews community has to be able to say that some language
> > project is not going in the right way as well as it has to be able to
> > make some changes to the particular project. This means that, for
> > example, there should be one policy for administrators, one policy for
> > dealing with problematic users, one policy for giving and revoking
> > accreditations, one organization (so, yes, one "Wikinews Foundation",
> > not separate organizations in different countries, but
> > chapters/offices strongly connected between themselves).
> >
> > In relation with that I want to say that Adambro's comment at the
> > section for my candidacy for accreditation [1] has a lot of sense:
> > "[...] I appreciate that you have contributions in English which could
> > be helpful in forming an opinion of you but not all users who come
> > here from other languages seeking accreditation will have this and so
> > I must continue to oppose on the basis that I don't think the English
> > community should, or is really in a position to, assess these users to
> > an appropriate level."
> >
> > It is not only a matter of en.wn community, but a matter of general
> > Wikinews community. How can I know that one Thai contributor is a
> > valid one when I don't know a word of Thai? Or would another Serbian
> > contributor would get accreditation only because they are bureaucrat
> > on sr.wn and I said that they should get it (I really have only good
> > words for both of other contributors)?
> >
> > But, if not, it would mean that the whole Serbia would be left with
> > only one accreditation for a long time; or that Thai Wikinews wouldn't
> > have any accredited reporter for a long time. This, also, means that,
> > for example, Italian Wikinewsians will try to make their own
> > organization, which would be the beginning of the situation which we
> > have on Wikipedia: factionized community at the lines of the language
> > borders.
> >
> > So, we need to find some solution. And here are some of my (new and
> > old) ideas for doing so:
> >
> > - We should start to write Wikinews-wide policies. Of course, such
> > policies should be reasonable and they should leave a space for
> > projects autonomies in the future. They should lead a community from
> > its beginnings to the time when it is enough mature to function
> > autonomously.
> >
> > - What is necessary for one contributor to become a recognized one?
> > Writing on English Wikinews or English Wikipedia? It may be one of the
> > solutions, but as far as I am able to see, there are some good machine
> > translation engines, like es-en is. Maybe we should recognize such
> > languages and give the opportunity to the people who are contributing
> > in those languages? It is not perfect, but it is one part of the
> > solution.
> >
> > - There are also other things which may prove someone's work, the most
> > notable are related to previous Wikimedian work. And we should write
> > somewhere those particular solutions.
> >
> > On 11/15/07, bawolff <bawolff+wn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Perhaps we should also start some page on meta to coordinate
> > > inter-language stuff (in the past though such things have died
> > > quickly)
> >
> > We should try again :)
> >
> > > Maybe have each wiki write sort of reports (translated by google
> > > translater?) every so often (~once every couple of months, but just
> > > short little things, couple paragraphs at most. nothing like
> > > Eloquence's state of the wiki.) describinbg what local events that
> > > have happened, what successes the wiki has had of recent, what
> > > pitfalls/mistakes they have made, just general thoughts of general
> > > wikilife so we're all on the same page.
> >
> > Yes. It may be a good idea. May we say that we would do that quarterly
> > and the first one at the and of January?
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2007 5:23 AM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> > > I agree, each language Wikinews is a relatively small community. We need
> > to
> > > work cross-wiki on things like weather, oil prices, and other standard
> > > automated news website stuff. Bots that do things like create new day
> > > category pages should be moved over to the toolserver and set up to
> cover
> > > all language variants and appropriate interwiki links.
> >
> > Hm. In the next couple of days I'll start a page on Meta about this
> > issue. For the beginning, we need to see which bots (and other
> > programs) are working and with what purpose.
> >
> > > Craig Spurrier is currently drawing up plans to propose a Wikinews
> > > Foundation (name not decided). This will be purposed with the task of
> > > standing behind the reporters, verifying credentials, and so on. If that
> > > comes to fruition, I'll likely hand over the wikinewsie.org domain to
> the
> > > org.
> >
> > I saw this at foundation-l a month or two ago and I was wandering what
> > is going on with that. It is good to hear that it is going on well.
> >
> > [1] -
> >
> http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews%3AAccreditation_requests&d
> > iff=522591&oldid=522490
> >
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