[Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?

Tue Apr 5 08:38:40 UTC 2011

hey guys have a look at this
http://softkenya.com/law-kenya/companies-in-kenya.html

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Isaac,
>
> We (or at least I) haven't totally ruled out the "company limited by
> guarantee" option since that's what Wikimedia UK did.
>
>
>
>      -------------------------------------
> Abbas Mahmood
> t | +254722215101
> f | www.facebook.com/abbasjnr
> s | abbasjnr
> Wikimedia Kenya Member
>
> "*Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free
> access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment."*
> **
> Please donate: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Now/en
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:59:29 +0300
> > From: kips8505izo at gmail.com
>
> > To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> >
> > Dear Oscar,
> > About the Etherpad issue you should have explained everything clearly,
> > thanks to stave am getting the password today.
> > My point to you is Why don't register it as a company limited by
> > Guarantee? ---NOT FOR PROFIT MAKING:::look at it along those lines and
> > if you are OK with that Obadiah and I can assist in drafting the
> > constitution (MOA and AOA). at least we have managed to go through the
> > process and successful registered one of that Kind
> >
> > On 05/04/2011, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Guys,
> > > I am not so happy with this empty talk of you guys.We need to forge
> ahead
> > > and focus on the Chapter.
> > > I shared the etherpad for discusiion of the By-lwas only a fistful of
> the
> > > "usual susspects" loged in and contributed to the same.So shame on you
> if
> > > you did not log into the same and you have your mouth wide open
> > > chanting-----well my apologies
> > >
> > > We need to focus on the bylwas and work on timelines.for instance we
> need to
> > > say like after 14days after sharing the etherpad,the final discussions
> and
> > > contributions will be deemed binding to the whole Chapter.So lets show
> oour
> > > commitement and discuss the bylaws.its a shame that some of us have
> never
> > > even read the existing bylaws so it would be very difficult to make a
> good
> > > contribution....also read from other Chapters and make wise and learned
> > > contributions.....
> > >
> > > see
> > >
> > > 1. Wikimedia Chapters-
> > >
> > >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_chapters&diff=0&oldid=2472514
> > > 2. The Etherpad(password-wikimediakenya)----
> > > http://oslimoke.ietherpad.com/1
> > > 3. WikimediaKE Bylaws--
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Kenya/bylaws
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > and see u at the pad.....
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire money
> into
> > >> a personal account. They could pay the expenses directly to the
> concerned
> > >> parties.
> > >>
> > >> And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's
> from
> > >> the government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so
> long
> > >> as
> > >> it is being utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if
> you
> > >> receive a grant to open up an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax
> out
> > >> of it. But in our case, we are non-profit, so we are tax-exempt.
> > >>
> > >> -------------------------------------
> > >> Abbas Mahmood
> > >> t | +254722215101
> > >> f | www.facebook.com/abbasjnr
> > >> s | abbasjnr
> > >> Wikimedia Kenya Member
> > >>
> > >> "*Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given
> free
> > >> access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's our commitment."*
> > >> **
> > >> Please donate: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Now/en
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700
> > >> From: bruceobwari at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >> To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> > >>
> > >> First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn , i
> do
> > >> echo Abbas sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having
> > >> listened
> > >> to the guy ,it did make lots of sense that if we think of engaging
> others
> > >> we
> > >> need to have a formalized engagement ,his being a corporate body it
> was
> > >> crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being deposited on
> > >> individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was
> extensively
> > >> used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues
> if we
> > >> don't address the issue of formality,
> > >> On a lighter note, somebody please educate me on this ,whats our tax
> > >> obligations when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax,
> pay
> > >> as you earn /deposit ,zero rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau
> > >> <wanjaustev at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal
> > >> framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
> > >>
> > >> On 4/4/11, lilian nyarera <lireshi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't
> think
> > >> > there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters
> dealing
> > >> > with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster
> we
> > >> > develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big
> and
> > >> soon
> > >> > the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with
> signatories.
> > >> > Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so
> that
> > >> we
> > >> >> can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall
> miss
> > >> >> this and many more partnerships to come.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
> > >> >>> From: sarahosano at gmail.com
> > >> >>> To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Hello Steve,
> > >> >>> I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we
> will
> > >> be
> > >> >>> asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the
> > >> foundation,I
> > >> >>> dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in
> personal
> > >> >>> account.
> > >> >>> At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it
> tricky to
> > >> >>> form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
> > >> >>> Regards
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a
> personal
> > >> >>> > account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first
> > >> >>> > place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could
> > >> >>> > directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money
> > >> >>> > passing into our hands.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at
> this
> > >> >>> > stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual
> trust
> > >> in
> > >> >>> > us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they
> had
> > >> >>> > nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex,
> > >> since
> > >> >>> > it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an
> > >> >>> > official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to
> do
> > >> >>> > so.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I
> was
> > >> in
> > >> >>> > Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the
> reason
> > >> why
> > >> >>> > the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want
> us
> > >> to
> > >> >>> > make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation
> is
> > >> >>> > softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when
> we
> > >> make
> > >> >>> > a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying
> yes. I
> > >> >>> > remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
> > >> >>> >From: wanjaustev at gmail.com
> > >> >>> >To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >> >>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing
> director Of
> > >> >>> > TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and
> his
> > >> too
> > >> >>> > because his is already a company.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and
> said
> > >> they
> > >> >>> > were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at
> 'their
> > >> >>> > station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school
> > >> >>> > administration that nobody has been mandated to collect
> computers
> > >> from
> > >> >>> > schools by TSLG!
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit
> > >> money
> > >> >>> > into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same
> and
> > >> its
> > >> >>> > bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and
> should be
> > >> >>> > taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what
> that
> > >> >>> > means)
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a
> wiki-median
> > >> and
> > >> >>> > do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing
> ourselves
> > >> at
> > >> >>> > the schools we visited!
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down
> measures
> > >> >>> > to
> > >> >>> > register as a legal entity.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Cheers,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <
> bruceobwari at gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> >>> > wrote:
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
> > >> >>> >we had a very
> > >> >>> >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue
> of a
> > >> >>> >formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal
> communication
> > >> from
> > >> >>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the
> > >> chapters
> > >> >>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
> > >> >>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next
> few
> > >> >>> >days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
> > >> meeting.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was
> scheduled
> > >> to
> > >> >>> > occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation
> if
> > >> we
> > >> >>> >are formally engaged.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
> > >> >>> > giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by
> > >> >>> > incorporating two members from our team ,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so
> we
> > >> >>> > urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > rgds ,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > Steve and Bruce.
> > >> >>> >- Show quoted text -
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <
> bruceobwari at gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> >>> > wrote:
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
> > >> >>> >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came
> was
> > >> the
> > >> >>> > issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal
> > >> >>> > communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official
> > >> >>> > communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
> > >> >>> > would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next
> few
> > >> >>> > days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same
> > >> meeting.
> > >> >>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was
> > >> >>> > scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our
> > >> >>> > participation if we are formally engaged.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
> > >> >>> > giving them the content
> > >> >>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <
> oscar_okwero at yahoo.com>
> > >> >>> > wrote:
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our
> > >> >>> > members.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com>
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
> > >> >>> >To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
> > >> >>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Hey Branton,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these
> > >> >>> > guys
> > >> >>> > next and get more details on this.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Cheers,
> > >> >>> >Alex.
> > >> >>> >
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> > >> >>> >--
> > >> >>> >Stephen Wathika WanjauJomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture And
> > >> >>> > Technology.Bsc. Mathematics (Statistics) and Computer
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