[Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?

stephen wanjau wanjaustev at gmail.com
Mon Apr 4 17:42:29 UTC 2011 

personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal
framework.It was part of the plan anyway.

On 4/4/11, lilian nyarera <lireshi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't think
> there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters dealing
> with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster we
> develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big and soon
> the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with signatories.
> Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
>
> On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>
>>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so that we
>> can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall miss
>> this and many more partnerships to come.
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
>>> From: sarahosano at gmail.com
>>> To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>>>
>>> Hello Steve,
>>> I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will be
>>> asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the foundation,I
>>> dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal
>>> account.
>>> At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to
>>> form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal
>>> > account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first
>>> > place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could
>>> > directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money
>>> > passing into our hands.
>>> >
>>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this
>>> > stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
>>> >
>>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust in
>>> > us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had
>>> > nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex, since
>>> > it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an
>>> > official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do so.
>>> >
>>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was in
>>> > Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason why
>>> > the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us to
>>> > make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is
>>> > softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we make
>>> > a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
>>> >
>>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I
>>> > remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
>>> >
>>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
>>> >From: wanjaustev at gmail.com
>>> >To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
>>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>>> >
>>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of
>>> > TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry  is security on our side and his too
>>> > because his is already a company.
>>> >
>>> >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said they
>>> > were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
>>> >
>>> >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their
>>> > station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school
>>> > administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers from
>>> > schools by TSLG!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit money
>>> > into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and its
>>> > bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be
>>> > taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that
>>> > means)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median and
>>> > do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
>>> >
>>> >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves at
>>> > the schools we visited!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures to
>>> > register as a  legal entity.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers,
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>>> >we had a very
>>> >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a
>>> >formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from
>>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters
>>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>>> >
>>> >      He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
>>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
>>> >days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>>> >
>>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to
>>> > occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we
>>> >are formally engaged.
>>> >
>>> >     He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
>>> > giving them the content for them to for them to install OR  by
>>> > incorporating two members from our team ,
>>> >
>>> >  The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we
>>> > urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   rgds ,
>>> >
>>> > Steve and Bruce.
>>> >- Show quoted text -
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>>> >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was the
>>> > issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal
>>> > communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official
>>> > communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >      He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
>>> > would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
>>> > days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>>> >     He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was
>>> > scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our
>>> > participation if we are formally engaged.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
>>> > giving them the content
>>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <oscar_okwero at yahoo.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our
>>> > members.
>>> >
>>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com>
>>> >
>>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>>> >To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
>>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Hey Branton,
>>> >
>>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these guys
>>> > next and get more details on this.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers,
>>> >Alex.
>>> >
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