[Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?

lilian nyarera lireshi at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 4 17:34:55 UTC 2011 

Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't think there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters dealing with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster we develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big and soon the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with signatories. Thats just my thot. though. Regards.

On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:

>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so that we can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall miss this and many more partnerships to come.
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>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
>> From: sarahosano at gmail.com
>> To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
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>> Hello Steve,
>> I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will be asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the foundation,I dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal account.
>> At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
>> Regards
>> 
>> Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> >I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money passing into our hands. 
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>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
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>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust in us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex, since it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do so.
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>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was in Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason why the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us to make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we make a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
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>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
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>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
>> >From: wanjaustev at gmail.com
>> >To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
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>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry  is security on our side and his too because his is already a company.
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>> >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said they were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
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>> >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers from schools by TSLG!
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>> >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit money into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and its bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that means)
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>> >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median and do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
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>> >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves at the schools we visited!
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>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures to register as a  legal entity.
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>> >Cheers,
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>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD 
>> >we had a very 
>> >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a 
>> >formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from
>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters
>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar, 
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>> >      He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he 
>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few 
>> >days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
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>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to
>> > occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we 
>> >are formally engaged.
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>> >     He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content for them to for them to install OR  by incorporating two members from our team ,
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>> >  The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
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>> >                                                                           rgds ,
>> >                                                                     Steve and Bruce.
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>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD 
>> >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar, 
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>> >      He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>> >     He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we are formally engaged.
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>> >     He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content 
>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <oscar_okwero at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our members.
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>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> >From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs at yahoo.com>
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>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >To: wikimediake at lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
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>> >Hey Branton,
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>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these guys next and get more details on this.
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>> >Cheers,
>> >Alex.
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