<p>Hi. I'm more active on Hindi Wikipedia. My observation is that many people who come from english wiki to local wikis tend to enforce quality too much. Its like forcing diet of a body builder upon a kid. This takes toll on new contributors who do have good intentions and may be groomed. Keeping in view the life-cycle thing, we have to compromise a little on quality till a critical mass is reached and enforce the quality slowly and steadily.</p>
<p> I've been here for last one year and i think hindi wiki is showing a steady growing trend. <br>
As far as new tech like tablets, smartphones are concerned, i feel they are helpful as local language typing apps are more easy to operate on tablets etc than on a pc. <br>
Regards.<br>
Manoj.</p>
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1. Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (Ravishankar)<br>
2. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (ansuman)<br>
3. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (Ravishankar)<br>
4. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (ansuman)<br>
5. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias<br>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:09:03 +0530<br>
From: Ravishankar <<a href="mailto:ravidreams@gmail.com">ravidreams@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hey,<br>
<br>
I have been noting declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias for the<br>
last few months.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece" target="_blank">http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece</a><br>
<br>
triggered to write this mail.<br>
<br>
This is my view on what's happening:<br>
<br>
1. Most of the Indian Wikipedias have crossed 10 years. Many of the active<br>
and first generation contributors are burnt out, taking a leave or have<br>
left for good. If you are not creative, intentional and consistent in your<br>
efforts to replenish and nurture the next generation, you will see a<br>
declining trend.<br>
<br>
2. Malayalam Wikipedia which once had 30 contributors who made 100+ edits a<br>
month registered only 10 such editors in May 2014. The last time they had<br>
activity this low was during May 2011. At the same time, their Wiki Source<br>
is registering a phenomenal growth. So, some resources could be split<br>
between projects too. This is a good reason to not start too many projects.<br>
Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource should be good enough unless you have a<br>
huge community.<br>
<br>
3. Focus on offline projects like events, celebrations. While they are<br>
good, over doing can stress few active contributors. In my experience,<br>
every time after organizing some offline event, there is too much burn out<br>
and people return after months.<br>
<br>
4. Things that plague all global Wikipedias - archaic editor, social media<br>
distractions, increasing use of tablets / smart phones.<br>
<br>
Future will be quite challenging :)<br>
<br>
Ravi<br>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:09:22 +0530<br>
From: ansuman <<a href="mailto:ansumang@gmail.com">ansumang@gmail.com</a>><br>
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A large amount goes to experiments...if one third of that amount used<br>
appreciating editors, we would have been a much better scenario.<br>
<br>
On 29-Jul-2014 7:09 pm, "Ravishankar" <<a href="mailto:ravidreams@gmail.com">ravidreams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hey,<br>
><br>
> I have been noting declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias for<br>
the last few months.<br>
><br>
><br>
<a href="http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece" target="_blank">http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece</a><br>
><br>
> triggered to write this mail.<br>
><br>
> This is my view on what's happening:<br>
><br>
> 1. Most of the Indian Wikipedias have crossed 10 years. Many of the<br>
active and first generation contributors are burnt out, taking a leave or<br>
have left for good. If you are not creative, intentional and consistent in<br>
your efforts to replenish and nurture the next generation, you will see a<br>
declining trend.<br>
><br>
> 2. Malayalam Wikipedia which once had 30 contributors who made 100+ edits<br>
a month registered only 10 such editors in May 2014. The last time they had<br>
activity this low was during May 2011. At the same time, their Wiki Source<br>
is registering a phenomenal growth. So, some resources could be split<br>
between projects too. This is a good reason to not start too many projects.<br>
Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource should be good enough unless you have a<br>
huge community.<br>
><br>
> 3. Focus on offline projects like events, celebrations. While they are<br>
good, over doing can stress few active contributors. In my experience,<br>
every time after organizing some offline event, there is too much burn out<br>
and people return after months.<br>
><br>
> 4. Things that plague all global Wikipedias - archaic editor, social<br>
media distractions, increasing use of tablets / smart phones.<br>
><br>
> Future will be quite challenging :)<br>
<br>
I'm sure more experiments coming our way to make the future less<br>
challenging.. ;)<br>
<br>
><br>
> Ravi<br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:00:26 +0530<br>
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Ansuman,<br>
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Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)<br>
<br>
Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really<br>
manage things themselves.<br>
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If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the<br>
projects.<br>
<br>
Ravi<br>
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:52:38 +0530<br>
From: ansuman <<a href="mailto:ansumang@gmail.com">ansumang@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Yes, rightly said..here money is not solving one but creating many...<br>
And only the community can save itself...not paid organizations... :)<br>
On 29-Jul-2014 10:00 pm, "Ravishankar" <<a href="mailto:ravidreams@gmail.com">ravidreams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Ansuman,<br>
><br>
> Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)<br>
><br>
> Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really<br>
> manage things themselves.<br>
><br>
> If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the<br>
> projects.<br>
><br>
> Ravi<br>
><br>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:00:25 +0530<br>
From: Moksh Juneja <<a href="mailto:moksh@wikimedia.in">moksh@wikimedia.in</a>><br>
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In my suggestion/ recommendation we need to create vertical projects within<br>
wiki-projects. It could be Indian space Environment, local destinations in<br>
your city, etc. With this we should tap into colleges, schools and the<br>
senior editors can look into inspiring the new and junior editors.<br>
<br>
I am saying this in my personal capacity as a contributor to Wikipedia.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Moksh Juneja<br>
Wikimedia India<br>
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:52 PM, ansuman <<a href="mailto:ansumang@gmail.com">ansumang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Yes, rightly said..here money is not solving one but creating many...<br>
> And only the community can save itself...not paid organizations... :)<br>
> On 29-Jul-2014 10:00 pm, "Ravishankar" <<a href="mailto:ravidreams@gmail.com">ravidreams@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Ansuman,<br>
>><br>
>> Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)<br>
>><br>
>> Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really<br>
>> manage things themselves.<br>
>><br>
>> If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the<br>
>> projects.<br>
>><br>
>> Ravi<br>
>><br>
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