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series of dots on each button.
I fail to understand how a touch screen display can work here.
Regards,
Srikanth
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Vickram Crishna
<vvcrishna at radiophony.com>wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> I do not know exactly how Braille works but if a character in a
>> standard script can be represented by Braille characters in stead,
>> then all it seems to need is a method for us to replace the existing
>> Unicode character with the Braille Unicode character. As we already
>> have WebFonts functionality it seems to me that what is needed is a
>> conversion before the characters are send to the user. When this is
>> done, we can show you the Braille characters on your screen.
>>
>
> What works for persons with visual challenges, who have been trained to
> use Braille typing, is the sequence of simultaneous keypresses that
> translate into language characters (there are Braille variants for
> non-Roman scripts). Since the visually challenged person cannot see the
> screen in any case, the display is not the point. This particular solution
> allows the touchscreen to accept multiple fingertip contact as individual
> characters, and of course, for the screen to switch smoothly between screen
> reading (TTS) and data entry.
>
>>
>> When a Braille keyboard is used, what is needed is to convert the
>> Braille sequences to whatever script / language is used before it is
>> actually saved.
>>
>> +1
>
>
>> I am convinced that there are many developers both in India and in the
>> rest of the world who are able to take on this challenge and have a
>> proof of concept in a week.
>>
>
> Remember it has to be integrated with the TTS used by the device. There
> are several out there, with different kinds of 'voices', a major one I know
> about being Festival (FOSS), but at the Conference, several persons
> referred to eSpeak. An important related piece of work is to augment the
> existing TTS' with Indian languages, also (for English) with Indian
> accents.
>
> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 24 November 2011 22:12, Pradeep Mohandas
>> <pradeep.mohandas at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > We were happy to have people with visual challenges challenging our
>> > interactions with them. I, personally, was challenged at at least two
>> points
>> > in the conference although I thought I had been sensitized for such
>> > interactions.
>> >
>> > We do have an online feedback form for the Conference but wonder
>> whether we
>> > can have more ways to reach people with visual challenges and the aged
>> for
>> > feedback on how the Conference treated them and how we can improve our
>> > communication of the Conference (in future) to them.
>> >
>> > Thank you for bringing up this point, Vickram.
>> >
>> > warm regards,
>> > Pradeep Mohandas
>> >
>> > User:Prad2609
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:45:03 +0530
>> > From: vvcrishna at radiophony.com
>> > To: wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration
>> >
>> > Several persons attending the recent WikiConfIndia 2011 drew attention
>> to
>> > the need for greater ease of use for persons with visual challenges -
>> Barry
>> > Newstead referred specifically to this need, commenting that in general,
>> > usability improvements for persons with special needs pay off for the
>> > community at large.
>> >
>> > This recent development at Stanford
>> >
>> http://www.springwise.com/lifestyle_leisure/braille-writing-software-touchscreen-devices/
>> > describes how visually impaired persons with Braille skills can interact
>> > directly with touchscreen devices. What is very striking about this
>> solution
>> > is that it does not involve tactile feedback, as one might expect.
>> Instead,
>> > once switched to Braille mode, the screen senses multiple finger
>> placement
>> > and translates that into the expected Braille codes (see the video to
>> > understand this, if you are unfamiliar with Braille typing).
>> >
>> > To echo Barry's comments made at WCI2011, I think a certain amount of
>> such
>> > out-of-the-box thinking could go a long way to creating an interface
>> that is
>> > intuitively more approachable than the present wiki editor.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Vickram
>> > Fool On The Hill
>> >
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Gerard, Vickram,<br>From my experience I know that Braille is a physically =
read language. It is read by feeling the raised dots on a surface. Eg: On e=
levator buttons, a series of dots on each button.<br>I fail to understand h=
ow a touch screen display can work here.<br>
Regards,<br>Srikanth<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2011=
at 9:17 AM, Vickram Crishna <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:vvcris=
hna at radiophony.com">vvcrishna at radiophony.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 a=
t 12:11 AM, Gerard Meijssen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gerard.=
meijssen at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gerard.meijssen at gmail.com</a>></sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hoi,<br>
I do not know exactly how Braille works but if a character in a<br>
standard script can be represented by Braille characters in stead,<br>
then all it seems to need is a method for us to replace the existing<br>
Unicode character with the Braille Unicode character. As we already<br>
have WebFonts functionality it seems to me that what is needed is a<br>
conversion before the characters are send to the user. When this is<br>
done, we can show you the Braille characters on your screen.<br></blockquot=
e><div><br></div></div><div>What works for persons with visual challenges, =
who have been trained to use Braille typing, is the sequence of simultaneou=
s keypresses that translate into language characters (there are Braille var=
iants for non-Roman scripts). Since the visually challenged person cannot s=
ee the screen in any case, the display is not the point. This particular so=
lution allows the touchscreen to accept multiple fingertip contact as indiv=
idual characters, and of course, for the screen to switch smoothly between =
screen reading (TTS) and data entry. =A0</div>
<div class=3D"im">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
When a Braille keyboard is used, what is needed is to convert the<br>
Braille sequences to whatever script / language is used before it is<br>
actually saved.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><div>+1=A0</div><div class=3D"im"><div>=A0</div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I am convinced that there are many developers both in India and in the<br>
rest of the world who are able to take on this challenge and have a<br>
proof of concept in a week.<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div></div><div>Rememb=
er it has to be integrated with the TTS used by the device. There are sever=
al out there, with different kinds of 'voices', a major one I know =
about being Festival (FOSS), but at the Conference, several persons referre=
d to eSpeak. An important related piece of work is to augment the existing =
TTS' with Indian languages, also (for English) with Indian accents.=A0<=
/div>
<div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks,<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 GerardM<br>
<br>
On 24 November 2011 22:12, Pradeep Mohandas<br>
<div><div><<a href=3D"mailto:pradeep.mohandas at hotmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">pradeep.mohandas at hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> hi,<br>
><br>
> We were happy to have people with visual challenges challenging our<br=
>
> interactions with them. I, personally, was challenged at at least two =
points<br>
> in the conference although I thought I had been sensitized for such<br=
>
> interactions.<br>
><br>
> We do have an online feedback form for the Conference but wonder wheth=
er we<br>
> can have more ways to reach people with visual challenges and the aged=
for<br>
> feedback on how the Conference treated them and how we can improve our=
<br>
> communication of the Conference (in future) to them.<br>
><br>
> Thank you for bringing up this point, Vickram.<br>
><br>
> warm regards,<br>
> Pradeep Mohandas<br>
><br>
> User:Prad2609<br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:45:03 +0530<br>
> From: <a href=3D"mailto:vvcrishna at radiophony.com" target=3D"_blank">vv=
crishna at radiophony.com</a><br>
> To: <a href=3D"mailto:wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org" target=3D"=
_blank">wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org</a><br>
> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Braille/touchscreen integration<br>
><br>
> Several persons attending the recent WikiConfIndia 2011 drew attention=
to<br>
> the need for greater ease of use for persons with visual challenges - =
Barry<br>
> Newstead referred specifically to this need, commenting that in genera=
l,<br>
> usability improvements for persons with special needs pay off for the<=
br>
> community at large.<br>
><br>
> This recent development at Stanford<br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.springwise.com/lifestyle_leisure/braille-writing=
-software-touchscreen-devices/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.springwise.com=
/lifestyle_leisure/braille-writing-software-touchscreen-devices/</a><br>
> describes how visually impaired persons with Braille skills can intera=
ct<br>
> directly with touchscreen devices. What is very striking about this so=
lution<br>
> is that it does not involve tactile feedback, as one might expect. Ins=
tead,<br>
> once switched to Braille mode, the screen senses multiple finger place=
ment<br>
> and translates that into the expected Braille codes (see the video to<=
br>
> understand this, if you are unfamiliar with Braille typing).<br>
><br>
> To echo Barry's comments made at WCI2011, I think a certain amount=
of such<br>
> out-of-the-box thinking could go a long way to creating an interface t=
hat is<br>
> intuitively more approachable than the present wiki editor.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Vickram<br>
> Fool On The Hill<br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l maili=
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