[Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 13:08, Ram Shankar Yadav
<ramshankaryadav at gmail.com>wrote:

> *This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose -  we dont want "kids",
> who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want atleast
> semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.*
> *
> *
> *- *First of all stop playing those policy games, before looking at
> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] I would rather say to have a look at [[WP:DONTBITE]].
>

BITE is suppressing one on the wiki when someone is trying to contribute.
Here he is citing the policy for an analysis of a project not mentioning
any one in particular, certainly this is NOT BITING.


>
> *But then,  i should expect this general cluelessness and ignorance from
> a "campus ambassador" with a grand total of 41 mainspace edits?.  *
> *
> *
> - Dude you are getting personal here, I respect you obsession with numbers
> but the whole idea of a "campus ambassador" is to help others to edit,
> instead of writing articles for edit count. You just took one number and
> creating all the fuss but you ignored others like ...
>
> Total Edits :705 (in last 5 months)
> Article        49 7.09%
>  Talk 6 0.87%
> *User 185 26.77%*
> *User talk 238 34.44%*
> *Wikipedia 144 20.84%*
> Wikipedia talk 26 3.76%
> Template 37 5.35%
> Help 6 0.87%
>
> For more stats :
> http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Ramshankaryadav&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia
>

He brought up numbers since you called him "misfit" (trolls happen only
when people feed from both sides). One must consider the fact that he was a
OA in PPP (Remember OA for PPP was selected after following careful
process) and unlike IEP (where people are blaming the selection of OA as
well [1]). While I greatly appreciate what you and other CA's did doing
physical outreach and reaching out to students, but you could have 1000x
better if you had better edit count. They are not mere stats which people
boast, they are "experience". Being an ambassador is about helping out yes,
but not just motivating, helping on wiki syntax. The experience allows to
share better insight on policies, rules of the game.  I am not particularly
blaming you, probably design of IEP (or even PPP if PPP also followed the
same model of immature CA). I , along with several editors(Even Ashwin
raised the same point on the thread) had a problem with this too and is
still not being acknowledged even after the results. All we are asking CA's
is to "Practice before you preach". Is that wrong?

In my view scale and quality of students were a bigger problems and got
multiplied, but that doesn't mean everything else was right in place. We
will learn only if we acknowledge all the proper reasons. There is no need
of finger pointing, we need to learn the lessons and the first step would
be to acknowledge.


> Apart from the numbers we got the experience of personally touching 1000+
> students and interacting with Faculty and Directors,  which you can not do
> by siting and editing Wikipedia in your living room. I'm not a 14000+
> editor like you but I share the same philosophy of free knowledge, but
> instead of respecting us you are doing all the mud throwing, it's not
> acceptable at all!!
>

I had already given the credit you guys deserved above, You dont know what
he has done beyond the 14000+ edits, so please refrain from commenting on
others ability to do things without knowing what they have done.

I particularly find it sad when people run over and mail when there are
"percieved personal attacks on newbies" but many keep quiet when senior
members are told "misfit", 'questioning "siting and editing Wikipedia in
your living room" '

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Education_Program#Online_Ambassadors_to_be_checked

-- 
Regards
Srikanth.L
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