[Wikimediaindia-l] Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -scope for more perspective

Sun Nov 13 10:27:35 UTC 2011

 Hi all who are discussing this thread, while  I would acknowledge perspective of online en:wp community ,We need to avoid knee jerk reactions and coming to conclusions from details available sitting just on line , as Ms.Bishakha madam rightly pointed out that we need to have perspective from CAs not only that it would always a better thing to have proper systematic field survey with end user (in our case editor).

Most of the CAs to were not experienced wikipedians.Agin some body else is preparing wiki training material for them, rather why not give a thought that we give opportunity to student community itself to prepare their own training material in a contemporary language of their own. rather than starting the whole programme at college level where students are already in pressure for rest of the things why not start from student camps at the time of 10th stadard anual vacation and 12th annual vacation which is longest vacation for Indian students and their minds are more relaxed at that point of time.May be next two years they will not do any major editing on wiki but by the time of graduation we need not teach editing techniques and rules from the basic.

Warm regards
-Mahitgar

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On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara <sonara.arnav at gmail.com>wrote:

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> hi,
>>
>> It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point.
>>
>> First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in
>> taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus
>> Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also
>> speak to the  Ambassadors whilst doing the post-mortem so future programs
>> have the benefit of their "experience". The same also goes to the India
>> Programs team that initiated this project.
>>
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> Thanks to all of you, yes this was a Pilot, but at no point I see it
> dying.  Its just that we have taken a pause right now to learn from the
> findings and ll come back all prepared and with the help of you all we ll
> try to gain new heights again.
>
> Arnav,

Good to hear back from one of the campus ambassadors. I think it would be
great if we could hear back from many more of you - as those who were on
the front lines of this program, what are your views on it? What did you
think worked? What would you change? What gave you a feeling of pride? What
made you worried?

By "you", I don't mean just you, but all the campus ambassadors who are on
this list. Hope you'll will write in and share your thoughts on these or
other aspects.

And in the midst of all the flak, congratulations, all CAs. With the huge
number of students overwhelming the program, each of you probably ended up
doing way more than you had signed up for. I hope you continue to take and
feel pride in that very sincere effort, regardless of the outcome of this.

Also - I would love to hear from Nitika, who was dealing with this program
on the ground. (What did you make of this, Nitika? Pros and cons?)

Please don't feel pressured by my request; we've already heard back from
en:wp editors - those comments are totally valid and must be taken into
account in any future iteration of the program. At the same time, I feel we
also need to hear the perspectives and voices of those who worked on the
program in any capacity.

Cheers
Bishakha

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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:16:46 +0530
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On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com>wrote:

> Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is,
> about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to
> contribute to articles that they are interested in, rather than of all of
> them editing the articles on the same topic.
>
> This is related to something I've been thinking about.

As conceived, the IEP and its parent the PPP (pardon the acronyms), were
about contributing to wikipedia, about learning how to contribute, and
about having fun while learning.

In practice, did it remain like that? Going by what I read, it sounded like
many of the students were under high stress to turn in these wikipedia
assignments to their teachers - and used every possible shortcut in the
book. (Exactly what I would have done in my student days).

I may be totally off-base on this, but am curious, so would appreciate some
info.

My question is: if this becomes a high stress exam type situ, is the
student likely to a)either see it as fun b)go back to it later for fun? In
which case, is this student likely to become a prospective wikipedia
editor, or is this student going to treat this as a one-time thing and
never want to do this ever again? (Given relationship with stress, exams,
teachers, marks)?

Also - larger related qs: is the aim of the India Ed program to increase
article content on wp (which can be done short-term) or to increase the
number of editors? Or both?

Cheers,
Bishakha
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