[Wikimediaindia-l] Discussion about deletion of a photo

[jayanta nath]

I am sharing you some old painting and photographs category at commons.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_paintings_in_the_Los_Angeles_County_Museum_of_Art
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Historical_images_of_Kolkata

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:17 AM, jayanta nath <jayantanth at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear sankarrukku Sir,
>
> Hello sir how are you?
>
> Regarding your comments  "*we can not upload the photograph of any old
> Indian painting or sculpture to Wiki Commons*."  I am just clarifying you
> that can do that. You you have to prove that those images are *"old Indian
> painting or sculpture*" by proper source and painter and *sculpture name.*
>
> Just I want to mention that According to The Indian Copyright Act, 1957<http://www.education.nic.in/CprAct.pdf>(Chapter V Section 25), Anonymous works, photographs, cinematographic works,
> sound recordings, government works, and works of corporate authorship or of
> international organizations enter the public domain 60 years after the date
> on which they were first published, counted from the beginning of the
> following calendar year (ie. as of 2011, works published prior to 1 January
> 1951 are considered public domain). Posthumous works (other than those
> above) enter the public domain after 60 years from publication date. Any
> other kind of work enters the public domain 60 years after the author's
> death. Text of laws, judicial opinions, and other government reports are
> free from copyright.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> The follow-up mail to the previous one. Again please cc him on replies.
>> Bishakha
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Sankar Viswanathan <sankarrukku at gmail.com>
>>  Date: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mahasaraswati.jpg
>> To: Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Thank you, Bishaka.
>>
>> Posting to the India list would be ideal. But I do not know how to do it.
>>
>>
>> Sankar
>>
>> Service to Humanity is Service to God
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Sankar Viswanathan <
>>> sankarrukku at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Bishaka,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your response to my mail.
>>>>
>>>> The discussion is still going on. But the dice is loaded in favor of
>>>> deletion.
>>>>
>>>> There are certain points which were raised in the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia is paranoid about Copyright. Of course this is a result of the
>>>> U.S law and any number of cases. There was a time when any image available
>>>> on the web was accptable to Wikippedia. I think they had some problems then.
>>>> Of course there are some people who take delight in Deletion. Kind of a
>>>> sadism.
>>>>
>>>> <<So to keep such images in Commons, either Indian government or Commons
>>>> needs to have a policy addressing all pictures for which original authorship
>>>> is unknown, or at the least about paintings of God which is widely
>>>> available. Until then, we can either assume good faith and keep this image
>>>> or start a new mass DR for all the images in the category Hindu deities.>>
>>>>
>>>> Indian government will not do anything. But Wiki Commons can do
>>>> something. Another thing which is surprising is there is no assumption of
>>>> Good faith. I am a volunteer. How do I benefit by the uploading of the
>>>> image? Actually most volunteers like me do end up by spending money, because
>>>> my internet connection is not free. I do not use an internet connection
>>>> provided by any organization. This atitude of "there is no assumption of
>>>> Good faith" will put off many people.
>>>>
>>>> I can not imagine anybody from India suing Wikipedia over an obscure
>>>> painting in a temple.
>>>>
>>>> Now they are quoting the U.K law on which the Indian law is modelled to
>>>> say that Wall paintings are not covered. This would effectively stop upload
>>>> of many of the paintings in temples.
>>>>
>>>> But in India in a public temple, the installed idol itself is held to be
>>>> the temple’s legal owner, and the beneficiaries—those to whom the endowment
>>>> is dedicated --—are the general public. Does this change the position? I
>>>> wonder. I have posted this.
>>>>
>>>> I am having another problem with this image. There is one person  called
>>>> Pebble101 who is bent on deleting this image from the article.He deleteds it
>>>> time and again for no reason. He could be the author of the last unsigned
>>>> remark on the deletion page.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saraswati&action=history
>>>>
>>>> The problem is there is nothing I can do. When I had such problems
>>>> earlier I was asked to go for Arbitration.
>>>>
>>>> I thought I had to share my concerns with some one.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Sankar
>>>>
>>>> Service to Humanity is Service to God
>>>>
>>>
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With Warm Regards,
*Jayanta Nath*
Calcutta,West Bengal
Facebook :http://www.facebook.com/jayantanth
Wikipedia :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayantanth
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