[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

Fri Jun 17 15:45:48 UTC 2011

I dont think all these restrictions are just copyright matters, basically
security issues. So once if we can convince the intention, then it should be
fine.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com>wrote:

> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it.
>>
>
> That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State
> Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation.
> But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on
> various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier
> mails/clarifications sent by Gautham.
>
> See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing
> Indian Railway assets.
>
> http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm
>
> From there:
>
> THE OFFICIAL VERSION:
>
> India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places
> are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards,
> railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed
> to be of military importance.  Officials are very skittish about the whole
> thing,  and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these
> restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the
> station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station
> limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the
> station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call
> these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story.
>
> Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and
> extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you
> to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to:
>
> The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board,  Rail Bhavan,  New
> Delhi-110001,  India.
>
> As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by
> Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official
> document related to this.
>
> Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this
> official/unofficial policy/law through various means.
>
>
> Shiju
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikanth05 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
>> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
>> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
>> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
>> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
>> shot in stations and trains?
>> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
>> to rail as well.
>> --Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohandas at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
>>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
>>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>>>
>>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>>>
>>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
>>> Google Street View.
>>>
>>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
>>> to where it meets the sea.
>>>
>>> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>>>
>>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
>>> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>>>
>>> Pradeep
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna <vvcrishna at radiophony.com> wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>>> > pradeep.mohandas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>>> >> bogey.
>>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that
>>> we
>>> >> can
>>> >> use the video during daytime only.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
>>> video
>>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
>>> aware
>>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
>>> anyone
>>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
>>> in
>>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
>>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
>>> to
>>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
>>> this.
>>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
>>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>>> >
>>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
>>> reading
>>> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
>>> from
>>> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
>>> >
>>> > I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If
>>> enough
>>> > people can be found across the country who have time and access to
>>> Flips, I
>>> > doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
>>> > willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
>>> have
>>> > seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a
>>> major
>>> > impediment either.
>>> >
>>> > With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
>>> do
>>> > on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions,
>>> if it
>>> > is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
>>> viewpoint
>>> > (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
>>> footage.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Vickram
>>> > Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com>
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> ME.
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