[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

[Vickram Crishna]

I think we have had this discussion just last week, with respect to mapping
data from the census.

It is not a question of what problems the railways could have, or the census
authorities could have. It is simply the intellectual laziness that got them
to declare the information copyrighted for reproduction with permission
only, a loophole that allows any officer to sit on the release. In the case
of the railways, it might be the fear that if they allow free use of such
pictorial data, somebody might raise an objection on security grounds at
some point in the future (never mind that truly dangerous - well,
potentially dangerous, much depends on intent - photographic information can
be gathered at low risk using modern photographic equipment).

I have not checked which Act covers this rail secrecy, but there used to be
notices on every road and rail bridge forbidding photography on grounds of
national security.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikanth05 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shiju, what problem can railways have?
> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you
> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is
> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from
> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are
> shot in stations and trains?
> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied
> to rail as well.
> --Regards,
>
>
>
> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohandas at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the
>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day
>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible.
>>
>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways.
>>
>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike
>> Google Street View.
>>
>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source
>> to where it meets the sea.
>>
>> It'll also be a way to map a few things.
>>
>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting
>> discussion. Flipcams are great too!
>>
>> Pradeep
>>
>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna <vvcrishna at radiophony.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> > pradeep.mohandas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard
>> >> bogey.
>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that we
>> >> can
>> >> use the video during daytime only.
>> >>
>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free"
>> video
>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be
>> aware
>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record
>> anyone
>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly
>> in
>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the
>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction
>> to
>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as
>> this.
>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and
>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically.
>> >
>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some
>> reading
>> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside
>> from
>> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective.
>> >
>> > I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If enough
>> > people can be found across the country who have time and access to
>> Flips, I
>> > doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is
>> > willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I
>> have
>> > seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a major
>> > impediment either.
>> >
>> > With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to
>> do
>> > on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, if
>> it
>> > is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's
>> viewpoint
>> > (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating
>> footage.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Vickram
>> > Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com>
>> >
>>
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