[Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : DNA : Mumbai blasts: Ajmal Kasab's birthday confusion

Sun Jul 24 07:44:17 UTC 2011

Yes, like Achal and Ramesh said, the experimental oral citations are being
used in those languages and the communities are discussing it.

Btw you can the see the copy of print version here.
http://epaper.dnaindia.com/epaperpdf/24072011/23sunday-pg6-0.pdf or
http://twitpic.com/5v09sw/full of the article's print heading was "HOW
WIKIPEDIA CHANGED KASAB B’DAY"

I wanted to stress on the need of verifiability and I said on similar lines,
which is in the body of the article.

"*The user-generated online encyclopaedia insists on verifibility, says Tinu
Cherian, a Bangalore-based Wikipedia administrator: “It is all about
verifiability, not necessarily of the truth, but whether readers and editors
can check that the material has been published by a reliable source, and not
whether they think it is true.” the resource has become a definitive go-to
for unbiased information."*
*
*
But the highlighted caption was only a part of this whole statement and read
as " *Wikipedia is not about the truth, but whether readers and editors can
check that the material has been published by a reliable source*" which
interestingly would take a different meaning ( Wikipedia != Truth ? ) ;)

-Tinu Cherian

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Ramesh N G <rameshng at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is one Malayalam article<http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neeliyar_bhagavathi>where we already used oral citation
>
> User:Rameshng
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> *“We have started using oral citations for non-controversial content. A
>> tayyam dance form has been documented using such citations of proponents,”
>> says Cherian, who is also at the forefront of creating Wikipedia content in
>> Indian languages.
>> *
>>
>> We have already started using oral citations?
>>
>> anirudh
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:38 AM, CherianTinu Abraham <
>> tinucherian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *DNA : Mumbai blasts: Ajmal Kasab's birthday confusion*
>>>
>>> http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_mumbai-blasts-ajmal-kasab-s-birthday-confusion_1568800
>>>
>>>
>>> *As Mumbai reeled under shock, despair and anger over being attacked
>>> again on July 13, a message started clogging the jammed telephone networks
>>> and set the internet on fire. Though other information — another blast in
>>> Navi Mumbai, suspicious bag found in Santa Cruz — was also flying thick and
>>> fast, this one had the potential to spill mass anger onto the streets.
>>>
>>> The blasts were apparently a ‘birthday gift’ for convicted 26/11
>>> terrorist Ajmal Kasab, it said, and no less than Wikipedia said so.
>>>
>>> The user-generated online encyclopaedia insists on verifibility, says Tinu
>>> Cherian, a Bangalore-based Wikipedia administrator: “It is all about
>>> verifiability, not necessarily of the truth, but whether readers and editors
>>> can check that the material has been published by a reliable source, and not
>>> whether they think it is true.” the resource has become a definitive go-to
>>> for unbiased information.
>>>
>>> But on that fateful Wednesday, verifiability itself was the problem.
>>> Three sources — Indian Express (2009), IBNLive (2009) and Hindustan Times
>>> (2010) had mentioned Kasab’s date of birth (DoB) as September 13, 1987,
>>> while two — The Times of India (February 2011), The Hindu (2008) said it was
>>> on July 13 that year.
>>>
>>> The entry on Kasab was created on November 29, 2008, three days after the
>>> attacks, and since December that year, his DoB has been mentioned as July
>>> 13.
>>>
>>> No wonder then that when a Chennai-based user changed it to September 22
>>> at 8.18pm (the last blast occurred at 7.05pm), there was consternation among
>>> Wikipedians, and minutes later, an ‘edit war’ as the community calls such
>>> rapid changes, had begun. Unable to verify the date, an administrator locked
>>> the page.
>>>
>>> Wikipedians say such problems are not uncommon, two recent cases being
>>> the rumour that freedom fighter Bhagat Singh was born on Valentine’s Day
>>> (February 14), and premature reports that West Bengal chief minister had
>>> died. Though there is no laid-down code, and no one in particular monitors
>>> changes to the database, the loosely organised community says it
>>> self-regulates and decisions are arrived at on case-to-case basis and
>>> actions depend on creating consensus.
>>>
>>> Soon after the edit war, a group of Wikipedians went into a huddle on the
>>> ‘Talk’ page of the website. Among them was Utkarsh Raj Atmaram, a
>>> 27-year-old Wikipedia administrator from Hyderabad.
>>>
>>> Though he too had learnt about the controversy on Twitter, he was
>>> initially circumspect about the real date being July 13. However, when he
>>> checked the revision history of the article, he realised the truth was at
>>> best a shade of grey.
>>>
>>> “Though the DoB had always been July 13, somewhere down the line the
>>> reference was deleted. This fuelled the confusion further,” Atmaram says.
>>>
>>> A Washington Post blog later attributed a part of this confusion to:
>>> “Those who are making the Wikipedia entry changes [to September 13] are
>>> trying to delegitimise the terrorists behind the attack.”
>>>
>>> It was finally decided at 11.26pm that both the dates should be reflected
>>> after one contributor, ‘kangzan’,pointed out: “Right now Kasab’s
>>> birthday is both in September and in July at the same time, exactly like
>>> Schrodinger’s hypothetical cat is both dead and alive at the same time — a
>>> thought experiment used to illustrate physics’ aptly named uncertainty
>>> principle”. Later, when Maharashtra anti-terrorism squad chief Rakesh Maria
>>> confirmed the date to be September 13, the issue was laid to rest.
>>>
>>> The incident highlights the fragile nature of ‘truth’ on the internet —
>>> Wikipedia doesn’t know something happened until a credible source doesn’t
>>> ratify it. “That is why, even though Twitter can be ahead of us in breaking
>>> news, we do not create articles based on what is said there,” Atmaram says.
>>> Perhaps that is why Kasab’s birth date being mentioned as July 13 on
>>> Wikipedia created such a furoreas people trust its content more than even
>>> conventional sources of information.
>>>
>>> The flip side, however, especially in countries like India where only a
>>> fraction of government records are online, is a lot of information does not
>>> meet the encyclopaedia’s ‘notability factor’, which determines whether
>>> particular information can be added to the database. To circumvent the
>>> problem, Wikipedians in India are experimenting with a novel idea.
>>>
>>> “We have started using oral citations for non-controversial content. A
>>> tayyam dance form has been documented using such citations of proponents,”
>>> says Cherian, who is also at the forefront of creating Wikipedia content in
>>> Indian languages.
>>>
>>> As the dust settles on the debate, one thing is clear: Information wars
>>> of the future will be fought online, and in crises, what transpires between
>>> netizens will shape reality on the ground.*
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tinu Cherian
>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/In_the_news#July_2011
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
>>> Wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
>> Wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
> Wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110724/cf63659c/attachment.htm 