[Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Wikipedias and various stats

Thu Jan 27 16:24:35 UTC 2011

Changed the subject line :D . The discussion has deviated very much from
the original subject. :P

Percentage of bot edits is interesting. Is it possible to differentiate
interwiki & non-inter-wiki bot edits on a Wikipedia ? Thoughts ?

 - Tinu Cherian

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com>wrote:

> In fact, bot edits in Indian Wikis is also an interesting metric. For
> example, see the below table to understand share of the *percentage of bot
> edits* across some major Indian wikis.
>
>    - Bengali - 76
>    - Bishnupriya Manipuri  - 97
>    - Gujarati  - 37
>    - Hindi - 50
>    - Kannada - 59
>    - Malayalam -  42
>    - Marathi  - 62
>    - Sanskrit - 85
>    - Tamil - 51
>    - Telugu - 51
>    - Urdu  - 59
>
> I know that for some Indian language wikipedians the only relevant metric
> is *number of articles*. But of course, not for the Malayalam wikipedians.
> We saw much value in all the metric that is published at
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/. I know many others are also finding value to
> it, that is why it is published every month.
>
> Shiju Alex
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:33 PM, BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Praveen,
>>
>> You've shown how much insight we can glean by provoking Malayalam Wiki
>> friends. ;)
>> We all got a great inside view of the different aspects of participation
>> in one of the finest Indian wikis.
>>
>>
>> > So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome
>> them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home
>> > wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :)
>>
>> I don't think anyone doubted that.
>>
>>
>> - Sundar
>>
>> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
>> for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
>> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
>>
>>
>> *From:* praveenp <me.praveen at gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. <
>> wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> *Sent:* Thu, January 27, 2011 5:58:25 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10
>> Lakh/1 million edits milestone
>>
>> On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote:
>>
>> Its not just about stubs.
>>
>> We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles
>> they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be
>> uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits.
>>
>> According to
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
>>
>> *"Depths above 300 for Wikipedias<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#Notes>below 100 000 articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant."
>> *
>> When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs.
>> The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>> This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia
>> has its strength and its weakness.
>>
>> Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a
>> massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better
>> than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks
>> that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say
>> thats not wiki style :( .
>>
>> But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly
>> students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged
>> anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user
>> satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will
>> create a great bot :).  Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a
>> spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of
>> Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic
>> ;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say
>> bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots,
>> most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs
>> occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing
>> the owner (Recent eg: See history of വർഗ്ഗം:ഫലകങ്ങൾ<http://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%BC%E0%B4%97%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%97%E0%B4%82:%E0%B4%AB%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%BE&action=history>).
>>
>>
>> Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main
>> namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is
>> not, whenever a bot identified as doing  unwanted edit it gets blocked.
>>
>> There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on
>> wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she
>> corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (കവാടം)
>> pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic.
>>
>> In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active
>> categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large
>> number of templates and many help pages and project pages with good content
>> (I'm sure that many of these help pages and project pages are really useful
>> to new users to jump start wikipedia) are available. I think we are using
>> talk pages aslo very well.
>>
>> It is clear from depth formula, that all these factors can be incremental
>> to "depth". So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I
>> welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home
>> wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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