[Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Tory Read
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Fri Dec 2 05:09:21 UTC 2011
Hi Folks,
My apologies for not replying sooner. I am on the ground in India, doing in person interviews, while juggling communication on email, talk pages, skype, etc.
Here is a summary of what I have been up to:
20 hours in US reviewing talk pages and email list communication regarding IEP
Interviews so far, in order in which they were done (in person, unless otherwise noted):
- Barry Newstead, WMF SF
- Frank Schulenburg, WMF SF
- Annie Lin, WMF SF
- LiAnna Davis, WMF SF
- Hisham Mundol, WMF India
- Nitika Tandon, WMF India
- Shiju Alex, WMF India
- Ram Shankar Yadav, CA Pune
- Ishita Ghosh, professor, SSE, Pune
- informal conversation with 2 SSE students and 2 CAs over lunch in Pune
- Rashmi Barua, SSE student
- Devanchi Tripathi, SSE student and CA
- Ashwin Baindur, Mandar Kulkarni (Pune WP community members) and Sudhanwa Jogalekar (OSM friend of WP, Pune), group interview over dinner
- Abhilasha Sharma, SSE student
- Anushikha Benazur, SSE student
- Dr. Jyoti Chandiramani, SSE Director
- 3 more SSE students, informal conversation over lunch
- Debanjan Bandyopadhyay, CA SSE
- Radha Misra, professor, SNDT Women's College, Pune
- Shweta Shinde, student, COEP
- Gautam Akiwate, student, COEP
- informal conversation with 3 CAs and 1 student, COEP
- Dr. Anil V. Sahasrabudhe, Director, COEP
- Dr. Pradeep Waychal, professor, COEP
- Kudpung, WP Admin (skype video)
- Srikanth Lakshmanan, WP editor, OA for IEP (skype audio)
- Hisham Mundol, WMF India (telephone)
Reviewing user, talk and article pages of all CAs and students interviewed.
Ongoing check-in on talk pages regarding program communication.
Interviews to come:
- Wasim, CA COEP
- Pratik Lohati, CA COEP
- Arjun M. K., CA COEP
- Vaibhav Chandak, CA COEP
- Prof. Abhijit Sir, professor, COEP
- Bala Jeyaraman (telephone)
- Risker (skype)
- Ruud (email)
- Andy Dingley (email)
- Voceditenore (email)
- Fluffernutter (email)
- Danger (talk page)
- MER-C (talk page)
- Matthiespaul (tbd)
- Moonriddengirl (telephone)
- Ayush Khanna, Data Analyst, Global Development Program, WMF SF (telephone)
This is my complete list. Data gathering closes Monday, 5 December, except I will take the statistical numbers from WMF whenever I get them.
My contract includes 20 interviews, and I am already doing many more, so please refrain from adding to my list.
I am completely off line and away from cell phone from noon 5 December - noon 12 December, San Francisco Time. I will not respond to any communication during that time.
I will be collating interviews and drafting my report 12 - 31 December. I will deliver as a word file to WMF and also post to my Userspace (exact location TBD, I am just learning all of this WP online method as I go).
Please assume good faith. I am very good at what I do, and I have a lot of integrity. I respect Wikipedia and everyone who contributes to it.
Warm Regards,
Tory Read
On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:18 AM, wikimediaindia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
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> 1. Re: IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis (Ashwin Baindur)
> 2. Re: [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA (Srikanth Ramakrishnan)
> 3. Re: [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA (Pradeep Mohandas)
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> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:11:22 +0530
> From: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
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> Often, it helps to have an outsider perspective. We in the Pune community
> met Torey to day and are of the opinion that the Foundation wants someone
> from their side to provide an impartial outsider's view and also to explore
> ways ahead in addition to finding out whats going on and what had happened.
>
> Obviously, her assignment is just one of a number of initiatives that are
> underway to improve/get feedback regarding the IEP fiasco.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Barry Newstead <bnewstead at wikimedia.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the engagement on the questions that should be tacked in this
>>> evaluation. See inline for a brief response to Theo's question about Tory
>>> Read.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Barry
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Theo10011 <de10011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I just
>>>> have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read conducting
>>>> the "evaluative study"?
>>>>
>>>> As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was
>>>> the research project. And even that had nothing to do with the Education
>>>> program directly. Is there a reason why she's leading the study?
>>>>
>>>> It seems like the same pattern of avoiding knowledgeable
>>>> and experienced members of the community to focus on the "outside
>>>> perspective". I thought the only lesson that the team did take away was,
>>>> you can't do in India what the global education team and Frank did in the
>>>> US. They don't scale and you need local solutions.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure Ms. Read is a competent researcher and would do a good
>>>> job but I don't see how Ms. Read's expertise or exposure to India and the
>>>> Education program would make this process any different from the pattern
>>>> that brought IEP here. Talking to the staff in SF, or spending a day in
>>>> Delhi or Pune is not going to give a clear picture at all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tory is indeed a competent researcher who built a solid understanding of
>>> the community and how things work in Wikimedia during her engagement with
>>> us in the India Chronicles. I selected her for this assignment because she
>>> has a good working knowledge of our general situation from her work on the
>>> India Chronicles, she has the skills to interview a good cross-section of
>>> those involved (WP editors, students, profs, Campus Ambassadors, online
>>> ambassadors, staff, others), she can look at the issue with fresh eyes and
>>> help synthesize learning and recommendations for changes, she will get this
>>> done in a timely fashion while memories are still fresh (which is really
>>> important).
>>>
>>> She is doing a combination of Skype, email and in-person interviews...and
>>> is in Pune this week actually. I'm confident that her work will be valuable
>>> to all of us and it will be shared in its entirety with the community. It
>>> won't be the only work on this. Both the India team and the Global
>>> Education Program team are committed to doing more joint problem-solving on
>>> future changes to the program with those interested in engaging with us.
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Barry,
>>
>> My understanding is that conducting an evaluative study requires a deep
>> comprehension of our projects and the volunteers. At the same time, an
>> exercise like this demands objectivity while analyzing empirical evidence.
>>
>> By building a repertoire of anecdotal evidence through a series of
>> interviews mostly conducted over phone/VoIP, I do not see how this report
>> will inform us beyond what discussions on this mailing list already have.
>>
>> Tory Read is an accomplished story-teller, but she is not a Wikipedian.
>> Can we simply not have WMF staff in New Delhi handle the interviews and
>> requests for comment? (They should also seek help from some of the
>> established Wikipedia editors.)
>>
>> The reason why I am stressing on this is because I think that an
>> established Wikipedia editor would be better-placed to objectively analyze
>> what worked and what did not work, and how this program may be improved.
>> Such editors need not be Indian, they can be a group of Wikipedians who
>> were directly or peripherally involved on Wikipedia when the IEP program
>> was being executed.
>>
>> Best,
>> anirudh
>>
>>
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> I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking
> itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one.
> --Re,
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao <raul.swaroop at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:IN<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:IN>for these? :)
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>> Swaroop Rao
>> (MikeLynch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch>)
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>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for
>>> English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too
>>> think that is a good idea.
>>>
>>> Shiju
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> Is that what you mean, Srikanth?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content
>>>>
>>>> I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>>> parakara.ghoda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ashwin,
>>>>> I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own.
>>>>> Re,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British
>>>>>> Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of
>>>>>> WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with
>>>>>> us. We are now down another FA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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> I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for.
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> warm regards,
> Pradeep
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> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530
> From: parakara.ghoda at gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
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> I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one.
> --Re,
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao <raul.swaroop at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:IN for these? :)
>
>
> Swaroop Rao
> (MikeLynch)
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex <shijualexonline at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea.
>
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>
> Shiju
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> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Is that what you mean, Srikanth?
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content
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>
>
>
>
> I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <parakara.ghoda at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Ashwin,
> I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own.Re,
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA.
>
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> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
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