[Wikimedia Brasil] Fwd: Is Wikimedia Brasil a chapter?

[Alexandre Hannud Abdo]

TSB,

 Aproveitando que você está nessa internal-l (que bom que está!), acho
que seria legal encaminhar ali algo no sentido da resposta do Tom, que
foi muito boa.

 Isto é:

"""
Nós estamos ativamente trabalhando com o chapcom para definir a situação
e não participaremos nem aprovamos nenhuma discussão que não ocorra
através dos meios mais públicos disponíveis. Em breve encaminharemos no
meta um documento requisitado pelo chapcom que busca esclarecer uma
série de dúvidas a nosso respeito. Por hora os links relevantes  são:

http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Relacionamento_com_a_Wikimedia_Foundation/Comitê_de_Capítulos/Emails_2009

http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Relacionamento_com_a_Wikimedia_Foundation/Comitê_de_Capítulos/2010.02.17_IRC
"""

Talvez acrescentando que a questão da participação na eleição é
secundária e vemos ela como algo a ser resolvido num momento posterior
do processo. Mas, não sei como os demais pensam disso.

 Acho que é a única resposta que podemos oferecer no momento.

 Alguma outra idéia?

 Abraço!

ale
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On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 12:39 -0300, Thomas de Souza Buckup wrote:
> Pessoal,
> 
> Vejam abaixo a mensagem que o Thomas Dalton compartilhou com os demais
> capítulos (comigo em cópia). Alguém se habilita a estabelecer contato
> com eles?
> 
> Abraços,
> Thomas
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton em gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:50 +0000
> Subject: Is Wikimedia Brasil a chapter?
> To: "Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed
> subscription)" <internal-l em lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: thomasdesouzabuckup <thomasdesouzabuckup em gmail.com>
> 
> Is Wikimedia Brasil a chapter? As things stand, that is a question
> with no answer since we have never actually decided (we've been rather
> putting it off, since it isn't an easy decision). It is on the list of
> chapters on meta [1], but more by default than concious choice (it was
> added to the list when it was still expected to become a conventional
> chapter, if memory serves, and just hasn't been removed). This
> question came up a couple of days ago in respect of the ongoing vote
> to decide on a process to select people for the chapter seats on the
> WMF board (incidentally - we're just one chapter short of a majority
> supporting now, so if your chapter hasn't voted yet, please do! I'd
> like to send it off to the WMF board for approval ASAP). I listed the
> chapters yet to vote and didn't list Brazil and I was asked privately
> if that was intentional. It was. I didn't include them because I can't
> see how than can participate. They don't have the necessary governance
> structure, as far as I know. There is no way for them to reach a
> collective decision (except perhaps by consensus, which seems
> impractical in the limited time available). Also, they cannot actually
> participate in the process should it be accepted, since we agreed the
> list of nominees would be confidential and restricted to chapter board
> members, which WMBR doesn't have any of. So, for purely practical
> reasons, WMBR cannot participate in inter-chapter decision making,
> which is a problem if it is a chapter.
> 
> The official requirements for chapters [2] includes: "The chapter must
> have a legal structure/corporation that is legally independent from
> the Wikimedia Foundation." WMBR does not satisfy that requirement.
> Clearly, we must either relax that requirement or cease to consider
> WMBR a chapter. There are arguments in favour of both options, but my
> preference is to not consider WMBR a chapter. Without a legal
> structure, they are just incapable of doing a large number of things I
> consider part of the normal existence of a chapter. They cannot
> fundraise. They cannot enter into a trademark agreement with the WMF.
> They cannot effectively speak with any kind of official voice. While a
> great deal of useful work can be done without being able to do those
> things, I don't think the work of a chapter can.
> 
> It has been suggested numerous times before without anything being
> done, but I think we should create a new kind of structure for
> informal groups of Wikimedians, of which WMBR could be the first.
> These could be groups in a country that doesn't have or want a chapter
> or groups that don't have an obvious geographic association. What
> relationship this new structure should have with the proposed WikiPods
> (which, incidentally, need a better name!), I don't know, but there
> probably will be a relationship of some kind. We need to have a
> thorough discussion about what role these groups should play and what
> should be required of them (for example, should they be required to
> designate a leader or committee of leaders in order to facilitate
> coordination with the rest of the WM movement? should they be required
> to maintain a list of members? etc.).
> 
> I'm not sure what forum these discussions (regarding WMBR specifically
> and the concept of informal groups generally) should take place in. I
> think internal-l is probably suitable for the WMBR discussion (I have
> CC'ed Thomas de Souza Buckup from WMBR since none of them seem to be
> on internal-l - perhaps some of them should be, whatever form WMBR
> ends up taking), but the more general discussion probably needs
> broader discussion, but let's start here and at least work out what
> the questions are that need to be answered.
> 
> Everyone, please give your views.
> 
> Tom/Tango
> 
> 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters#Existing_chapters
> 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters
>