[Wikimedia Brasil] Fwd: Is Wikimedia Brasil a chapter?

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

Hi, Thomas.

How are you?

I believe such issues you raised should be discussed publicaly.
Actually, we already started a discussion with chapcom on a IRC chat
[1] and they asked us to answer some important points about the
chapter model we are proposing (have you heard about it?). Soon we are
sending our answer requested by chapcom.

Can we move the discussion you started bellow and Thomas Buckup
forwarded to WMBR mailing list move to a public place? I really would
like to read opinions from internal-l mailing list and I belive it's
proper this issue be dealed as transparentely as possible.

See you!

Tom

[1]
http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Relacionamento_com_a_Wikimedia_Foundation/Comit%C3%AA_de_Cap%C3%ADtulos/2010.02.17_IRC


Em 15 de março de 2010 12:39, Thomas de Souza Buckup
<thomasdesouzabuckup em gmail.com> escreveu:
> Pessoal,
>
> Vejam abaixo a mensagem que o Thomas Dalton compartilhou com os demais
> capítulos (comigo em cópia). Alguém se habilita a estabelecer contato
> com eles?
>
> Abraços,
> Thomas
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton em gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:50 +0000
> Subject: Is Wikimedia Brasil a chapter?
> To: "Local Chapters, board and officers coordination (closed
> subscription)" <internal-l em lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: thomasdesouzabuckup <thomasdesouzabuckup em gmail.com>
>
> Is Wikimedia Brasil a chapter? As things stand, that is a question
> with no answer since we have never actually decided (we've been rather
> putting it off, since it isn't an easy decision). It is on the list of
> chapters on meta [1], but more by default than concious choice (it was
> added to the list when it was still expected to become a conventional
> chapter, if memory serves, and just hasn't been removed). This
> question came up a couple of days ago in respect of the ongoing vote
> to decide on a process to select people for the chapter seats on the
> WMF board (incidentally - we're just one chapter short of a majority
> supporting now, so if your chapter hasn't voted yet, please do! I'd
> like to send it off to the WMF board for approval ASAP). I listed the
> chapters yet to vote and didn't list Brazil and I was asked privately
> if that was intentional. It was. I didn't include them because I can't
> see how than can participate. They don't have the necessary governance
> structure, as far as I know. There is no way for them to reach a
> collective decision (except perhaps by consensus, which seems
> impractical in the limited time available). Also, they cannot actually
> participate in the process should it be accepted, since we agreed the
> list of nominees would be confidential and restricted to chapter board
> members, which WMBR doesn't have any of. So, for purely practical
> reasons, WMBR cannot participate in inter-chapter decision making,
> which is a problem if it is a chapter.
>
> The official requirements for chapters [2] includes: "The chapter must
> have a legal structure/corporation that is legally independent from
> the Wikimedia Foundation." WMBR does not satisfy that requirement.
> Clearly, we must either relax that requirement or cease to consider
> WMBR a chapter. There are arguments in favour of both options, but my
> preference is to not consider WMBR a chapter. Without a legal
> structure, they are just incapable of doing a large number of things I
> consider part of the normal existence of a chapter. They cannot
> fundraise. They cannot enter into a trademark agreement with the WMF.
> They cannot effectively speak with any kind of official voice. While a
> great deal of useful work can be done without being able to do those
> things, I don't think the work of a chapter can.
>
> It has been suggested numerous times before without anything being
> done, but I think we should create a new kind of structure for
> informal groups of Wikimedians, of which WMBR could be the first.
> These could be groups in a country that doesn't have or want a chapter
> or groups that don't have an obvious geographic association. What
> relationship this new structure should have with the proposed WikiPods
> (which, incidentally, need a better name!), I don't know, but there
> probably will be a relationship of some kind. We need to have a
> thorough discussion about what role these groups should play and what
> should be required of them (for example, should they be required to
> designate a leader or committee of leaders in order to facilitate
> coordination with the rest of the WM movement? should they be required
> to maintain a list of members? etc.).
>
> I'm not sure what forum these discussions (regarding WMBR specifically
> and the concept of informal groups generally) should take place in. I
> think internal-l is probably suitable for the WMBR discussion (I have
> CC'ed Thomas de Souza Buckup from WMBR since none of them seem to be
> on internal-l - perhaps some of them should be, whatever form WMBR
> ends up taking), but the more general discussion probably needs
> broader discussion, but let's start here and at least work out what
> the questions are that need to be answered.
>
> Everyone, please give your views.
>
> Tom/Tango
>
> 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters#Existing_chapters
> 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requirements_for_future_chapters
>
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