[Wikimediaau-l] 2008-11-09 ctte meeting minutes

Brian Salter-Duke b_duke at bigpond.net.au
Wed Nov 12 21:04:22 UTC 2008

I agree with Liam that we should do this quickly particularly for a
small group of organisations that we are already in contact with. We
might not immediately publicise it widely to allow for some finetuning,
but that should not take long.

I do not see that the rules prohibit it. One way forward is for the AGM
to approve the idea of corporate sponsorship which in effect has nothing
to do with membership. It would be available to any organisation that
donated more than a particular sum, say $200 per year, to WMAU.  Those
who donated less would of course just be donors and not listed anywhere. 

The committee, who determines membership fees could them decide that
corporate sponsors could nominate two indiividuals for membership with
no membership fee. In that way we meet the membership rules and give
them a say. I do not think that 2 per sponsor is going to flood the

This approach is followed by a few other organisations. I suggest the
committee considers thsi and drafts a motion for the AGM.

Cheers, Brian.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:02:34AM +1100, Liam Wyatt wrote:
> Re. the corporate membership,
> This is a very interesting development...
> I appreciate the concern that we do not want to become beholden to the 
> will of some corporation - this is the similar concern with having one 
> philanthropic organisation donate so much money to the WMFoundation that 
> they supply a 'controling stake' of the foundation's capital.
> It is for this reason that any donations to the Foundation that  
> represent more than 10% of the income in that year must be specifically 
> approved by the board - for more on this please listen to the interview I 
> did with Florence Devourard. http:// 
> wikipediaweekly.org/2008/10/03/episode-63-interview-with-florence/
> Let me take the concerns 1 by 1 (in the text below):
> On 10/11/2008, at 7:52 PM, Brianna Laugher wrote:
>> ==	Corporate sponsorship ==
>> John added this to the agenda at Peter "PM"'s request.
>> We discussed the ideas of corporate sponsorship and corporate
>> membership. Our rules currently don't allow for corporate members.
>> Opinions were mixed about the relative concerns and benefits of
>> sponsorship vs membership. Nathan suggested that corp sponsorship
>> would be purely for the other company's good marketing;
> It would no doubt be a nice thing for their goodwill-o-meter but we are 
> so insignificantly small that they would gain absolutely no  
> PublicRelations benifit from it (as yet at least). If anything it could 
> be that the shareholders, employees or government financiers ask why 
> their money is being wasted on some uppity little group of  
> web-volunteers.
> No - it would be good for our marketing, not theirs. At least for the  
> forseeable future.
>> Brianna felt that wherever there were large sums of money there would 
>> likely be a
>> feeling of influence, and that membership was more 'contained' than
>> sponsorship because of the Rules.
> Fair enough - see top. But this does not mean we have to drop the idea 
> entirely. For one, this implies that they would be giving so much money 
> that we would start to need them for our continued existence. Corporate 
> membership need not be expensive and therefore *financially* influential. 
> We could also include a clause stating that a corporate member is a 
> non-voting member so that it is not *politically* influential.
>> Sarah was concerned about undue
>> influence with corp membership. John suggested corp membership could
>> constitute a larger membership fee but still just one vote.
> -- As discussed above --
>> As there is mixed opinion about this issue it is not something we are
>> likely to act on in any great rush.
> As it happens there are several organisations that are already lined up 
> to support WM-Au if given the option. I don't know whether it is  
> appropriate to say whom but if you know me then you can probably make a 
> good guess. None of them are either rolling in cash nor have any concern 
> to takeover and 'influence' us. Rather - they are just wishing to help us 
> (and the free culture community more generally) get on our feet. 
> Effectively - what is good for us will be good for them.
> If we reject their goodwill at this point they might not be interested 
> when we graciously decide to accept their money (or in kind support) in 
> the future.
> I say that we don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. If some companies  
> want to be supporters then we just make "ACME-museum" a regular member 
> and be done with it. No special rules or procedures for their ilk. (this 
> may not be legal under the current rules however). We can do with as much 
> established support as we can get and we should AGF in these corporations 
> intentions.
> -Liam
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