[Wikimedia-l] RE : Moving the technical infrastructure out of the US

[Pascal Martin]

Good evening Antoine,

France is a country full of laws which are not respected, it is the old continent that you want :)
Ex: it was not until 2013 that women could wear pants in Paris, and I assure you that women wore pants before that date.

https://www.liberation.fr/france/2013/02/04/le-pantalon-n-est-plus-interdit-pour-les-parisiennes_879145

More seriously and from my personal experience for which for more than 12 years the data of all the projects of the WMF and in all the languages ​​as well as the content of the source links are hosted at Criann, the Criann and I even have never had any problem in court.

Regarding confidentiality, my servers are locked in a room which is also locked; only authorized persons can physically access the server rooms which are partitioned.

>From my point of view, I think the risk is to be measured by the Criann, because we are talking about making Wikipedia resilient, if the Criann accepts the risk apart from controversies there will be only that.

Even so, I think it is for the wikipedia community to rule on this point, even if the mandate of the WMF is to host Wikipedia, it does not say that the community is not positioning itself for a less centralized system. than today.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Community_Wishlist_Survey

And to change the law in France, I think that given that the Criann depends on the President of the Region:

<Reality>
Maybe le criann can try giving a call to french president of the region normandie and see whether
some arrangement can be made: -]
</ Reality>

De : Antoine Musso
Envoyé le :jeudi 1 octobre 2020 18:17
À : Wikimedia Mailing List; Pascal Martin
Objet :Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moving the technical infrastructure out of the US

On 30/09/2020 13:55, Pascal Martin wrote:
> Hi all,
> Maybe one way in France :
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renater
> I could contact them if it s possible, and more particularly the criann
> he would only charge for electricity.
> At the same time this allows to be able to save energy for users who
> consult wikipedia in Europe.
> 
> https://www.criann.fr/

Hello,

Wikimedia has caches servers located in Amsterdam in the same facility 
of AMSIX which is one of the largest internet exchange point in Europe. 
The caches thus have a very good connectivity with all the major 
internet service provider in Europe (and beyond).

France several exchange points (France-IX, PARIX, SFINX which is 
operated by renater) and possibly others. But to my knowledge none offer 
the same amount of connectivity as AMSIX.

Beside privacy, hosting would have to obey to french laws and the 
copyright laws are entirely different than the one in the USA. On top of 
my mind: there is no such thing as "fair use" and no "freedom of panorama".

Surely laws can be changed by intense lobbying and could I see the use 
case for France to relax some copyrights laws to better accommodate 
hosting.  That could potentially attract a wide range of content that 
are seeking a safe copyright heaven.  But I don't see it happening 
anytime soon and that would require a lot of lobbying by a wide range of 
organizations beside just Wikimedia.

<fiction>
Maybe WMF CEO can try giving a call to french president and see whether 
some arrangement can be made :-]
</fiction>


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Antoine "hashar" Musso