There is no reason to change the name, and no reason to invent a second
Wikimania. Also because of finances, the Spring meeting should be really
limited to people who make the movement work better.
I repeat that, in my opinion, some newer or smaller organisations don't fit
really in, or should not be represented with as many people as an older or
larger organisation. For newcomers I could imagine regional meetings with a
special focus to their needs.
It is certainly possible to improve the meeting by some better planning.
For a jolly "Let's come all together and have a nice chat about anything"
it is just too expensive...
Kind regards
Ziko
Am Donnerstag, 11. September 2014 schrieb Alice Wiegand :
Is this really a discussion about the name of a
conference or is it more a
discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if
this conference, which once was set up as a meeting for the organizations
within the Wikimedia movement, should be open for non-organized Wikimedians
as well. Which would probably be a different conference.
Alice.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com <javascript:;>>
wrote:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Bence Damokos
<bdamokos(a)gmail.com
<javascript:;>> wrote:
The name could be changed if the
participants/organisers want to change
it.
As I tried to point out, I don't see the name
as the underlying problem
people really have, and changing it will not solve the problem of
exclusion
people see.
We can make a conference that has a participants list that involves
people
that *should *or at least the people that really
*want* to be there, we
can
> also rename the conference for the people that *are *currently there
and
> forget about those that want and should be
there. I'd rather focus on
the
former.
Regardless, I do feel an emotional connection to the name and I expect
many
> people that have participated or organised it might feel this and I
> appreciate that those who have not been there can see it as a minor
thing
that can
be changed without any cost. It might not be perfect, but it
does
> have history and I do contend that the people that first started using
it
> are Wikimedia, and they should not feel
guilty about having come up
with
the idea
first. Indeed, at this time, resources have been invested into
the
name and confusion is ebbing around the
"Wikimedia Conference" name due
to
the years of history behind it.
But in closing, I will once again point to my statements that names are
symbolic and they can be changed. If the participants change the name
that
sends a totally different vibe than if the change
is imposed on the
participants, even if the end result is the same new name.
Best regards,
Bence
If the as-yet undetermined organizers choose to name it Wikimedia
Conference, then I suppose no one will act to force them to stop. But we
are Wikimedia as much as the organizers and participants are, as much as
hundreds of thousands of volunteers are. In a "Wikimedia Conference" you
might expect it to be open to those Wikimedians. With a narrower theme
of
governance, I doubt the prediction of it morphing
into a second Wikimania
would come true.
And while I accept your assertion that the name has history and meaning
to
those who have participated there, I remain
skeptical at the power the
name
holds for you and others. It is, as you'll
agree, a fairly generic name.
And less than a handful of events over as many years does not a venerable
tradition make. So I would hope that the organizers, whoever they turn
out
to be, will make the simple gesture of adding a
single word to the name
of
the event. It is still Wikimedia; it's just
aimed at affiliates, those
who
organize and have attended the event up through
now.
Indeed, the conference of affiliates that you've attended in the past is
valuable and worthy. I'd suggest you allow others interested to attend if
resources permit, but I wouldn't ask you to fundamentally alter the
nature
of the event. Merely make it clear whom you
represent, so that others
don't
feel you claim to represent them when you do not
-- as Ilario seemed to
with his "principle of delegation" comment.
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