[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 118, Issue 44

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Thanking anonymous users (Oliver Keyes)
   2. Re: Thanking anonymous users (Marc A. Pelletier)
   3. Visually impaired (rupert THURNER)
   4. Re: Visually impaired (Stevie Benton)
   5. Re: Visually impaired (Gerard Meijssen)
   6. Re: Visually impaired (Jon Davies)
   7. Re: Visually impaired (Amir E. Aharoni)
   8. Re: Visually impaired (Jon Davies)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:02:49 -0800
From: Oliver Keyes <okeyes at wikimedia.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users
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Aha. I totally agree with that, then, but I don't think it's the motivation
for this feature.

On 14 January 2014 13:28, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 14 January 2014 21:20, Oliver Keyes <okeyes at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > On 14 January 2014 12:29, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I'd rather call is a systemic bias which makes us favor standardised
> >> technological whizbangs just because we can measure them rather than
> for an
> >> actual effectiveness.
>
> > So you'd rather measure effectiveness through...the feeling in your
> water?
>
>
> No, he means doing things because they're susceptible to measurement,
> rather than because they're a good thing to do.
>
> The sort of thinking that leads to lightboxes over pages. "Just look
> at our response metrics!" Just look at your page.
>
>
> - d.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:02:51 -0500
From: "Marc A. Pelletier" <marc at uberbox.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users
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On 01/14/2014 04:07 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
> but I wouldn't rule out
> the possibility that they still achieved a good approximation.

I'd wager that what they have gotten might be a poor sample; there is
certainly a correlation between being a "power/advanced" user and more
intricate talk page archiving -- so the class of users most likely to
get some kinds of barnstars would end up being the most underrepresented
in the dataset.

I haven't read their paper though - they may well have accounted for
that in some manner.

-- Marc

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:26:10 +0100
From: rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
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Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for
visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices?

Rupert

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:32:35 +0000
From: Stevie Benton <stevie.benton at wikimedia.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
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Hi Rupert,

Wikimedia UK is currently looking at this in relation to our own wiki.
There's some thoughts and notes at
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Accessibility_of_the_Wikimedia_UK_website which
draw extensively from information provided by the Royal National Institute
of Blind People - http://www.rnib.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx

I hope this is useful.

Stevie

On 15 January 2014 08:26, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for
> visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices?
>
> Rupert
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:50:43 +0100
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
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Hoi,
One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception.
It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple
ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of
the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some
people only see yellow on white..)

If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality
but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki
and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...

Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
being developed.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for
> visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices?
>
> Rupert
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:34:57 +0000
From: Jon Davies <jon.davies at wikimedia.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
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How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :)

On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hoi,
> One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
> serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception.
> It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple
> ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of
> the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some
> people only see yellow on white..)
>
> If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality
> but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki
> and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
> OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...
>
> Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
> being developed.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
>
> On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia
> for
> > visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices?
> >
> > Rupert
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:47:32 +0200
From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
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ULS is short for the Universal Language Selector extension. This tool
provides language selection, webfonts and keyboard layouts for different
languages. It appears if you click the gear icon near the interlanguage
links. Among other things, it provides the OpenDyslexic font for some
languages written in the Latin alphabet, and it is supposed to be more
comfortable to read for dyslexic people. So it can be considered and
accessibility tool, but I don't think that it is relevant for
visually-impaired people.

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http://aharoni.wordpress.com
‪“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

2014/1/15 Jon Davies <jon.davies at wikimedia.org.uk>

> How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :)
>
>
> On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
> > serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception.
> > It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple
> > ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size
> of
> > the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some
> > people only see yellow on white..)
> >
> > If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality
> > but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of
> MediaWiki
> > and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
> > OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...
> >
> > Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
> > being developed.
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> >
> >
> > On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia
> > for
> > > visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices?
> > >
> > > Rupert
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> tweet @jonatreesdavies
>
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> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:51:30 +0000
From: Jon Davies <jon.davies at wikimedia.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
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WOW on toast! Thanks Amir.

On 15 January 2014 09:47, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il>wrote:

> ULS is short for the Universal Language Selector extension. This tool
> provides language selection, webfonts and keyboard layouts for different
> languages. It appears if you click the gear icon near the interlanguage
> links. Among other things, it provides the OpenDyslexic font for some
> languages written in the Latin alphabet, and it is supposed to be more
> comfortable to read for dyslexic people. So it can be considered and
> accessibility tool, but I don't think that it is relevant for
> visually-impaired people.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
>
> 2014/1/15 Jon Davies <jon.davies at wikimedia.org.uk>
>
> > How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :)
> >
> >
> > On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
> > > serves one function for people who have a handicap with their
> perception.
> > > It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are
> multiple
> > > ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size
> > of
> > > the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some
> > > people only see yellow on white..)
> > >
> > > If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the
> functionality
> > > but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of
> > MediaWiki
> > > and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
> > > OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...
> > >
> > > Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
> > > being developed.
> > > Thanks,
> > >       GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning
> wikipedia
> > > for
> > > > visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices?
> > > >
> > > > Rupert
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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> 4LT.
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> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
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