[Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

[Oliver Keyes]

Or to translate "who cares what harm I do by peddling these assertions
without verifying them! I just want people to come along and admit I was
Right, because being Right on the internet is the most important of all the
things".

Your comment here makes clear that your only interest in the situation is
trying to bend people like Jimmy over a barrel in the hopes that they'll
tearfully exclaim that, yes, they were wrong, paid editing is hunky-dory
and oh, if /only we'd listened to Russavia/. Stop, please.


On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Russavia <russavia.wikipedia at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes, Nathan, please let us cut the bullshit, for I have a pretty low
> tolerance for it, and I am happy to call you out on it.
>
> You are right, I don't see anywhere in Odder's blog or in my posts on this
> list that Sarah is being accused of sock puppetry. I don't know why you are
> making this totally irrelevation correlation, or is this you simply trying
> to run interference? (Very poorly I might add, but certainly a better
> attempt than Gerard). I suggest that you re-read the cease and desist
> letter (
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/11/19/wikimedia-foundation-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-wikipr/
> )
> at the very top of page 2 you can see in pretty plain English that the WMF
> has invoked Section 4 of the Terms of Use, in which the WMF makes veiled
> legal threats of fraud, misrepresentation, etc. It is showing severe
> naivety on your part if you think the Wiki-PR case was built around a farm
> of sockpuppets; that was merely the catalyst for the anti-paid editing
> crowd to really sink their teeth into the situation -- that should surely
> be evident from Sue's press release.
>
> I seriously don't see why you think me contacting Wiki-PR to alert them of
> these posts here, so that they can follow it, as a bad thing. I thought
> that the "movement" was built around the notion of transparency. If terms
> of use are being invoked with them, don't they have the right to know of
> other such cases where they will likely be ignored because it's an insider
> we are talking about? That Sarah has engaged in undeclared paid editing is
> of her own doing -- we are all responsible for our own editing. She chose
> to engage in such editing immediately after a massive scandal knowing full
> well the possible consequences if it was discovered.
>
> It is not people like Odder who blogs or myself who dares step into the
> holy inner sanctum who will tear Sarah down, it is the tendentious and
> self-righteous
> barnacles that adhere to the "paid editing is bad mmmkay" mantra that is
> peddled from above on Wikipedia, and lately by the Wikimedia Foundation
> itself, and adhered to blindly by the masses, who will do that.
>
> So Nathan, where do you stand on the paid editing issue? Does Jimmy's
> bright line rule, and Sue's statements, apply to insiders as well as to the
> world-at-large?
>
> But again, let's wait for Sarah's comments first on these revelations. And
> then we can get those within the movement who have so publicly taken a
> stance on paid editing, namely Sue and Jimmy, to clarify where they truly
> stand on these issues for once and for all.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Russavia
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Let's be clear, Russavia - the terms of use bar sockpuppetry, and the
> cease
> > and desist refers to concealing the identity of the author to deceive the
> > editing community. I don't see that you've accused Sarah of sockpuppetry,
> > so why not cut the bullshit? Thanks for notifying Wiki-PR, by the way,
> I'm
> > sure everyone on this list really appreciates that.
> >
> > If there's one thing I love about Wikimedia, it's when tendentious and
> > self-righteous barnacles on the community make it a mission to tear down
> > good-hearted and dedicated Wikimedians at the expense of the movement.
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