[Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

[Steven Zhang]

You are entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with it, and I don't feel you should say that everyone is wrong but yourself. Cheerio.

Steve

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> On 7 Sep 2013, at 3:30 am, Lars Gardenius <lars.gardenius at yahoo.de> wrote:
> 
> No, I don't believe you are right.
> 
> The problem is the construction of these Arbitration Committe and the mediation process. You can no build that on volunteers, who are anonymous (like "NuclearWarfare") and not accountable.
> 
> You need to recruit people who are educated and trained to handle these types of questions. Otherwise you can never protect users from mobbing and abuses.
> 
> See also my answer to Fred Bauder, I find it unnecessary to repeat here.
> 
> Regards,
> Lars Gardenius
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> Von: Steven Zhang <cro0016 at gmail.com>
> An: "fredbaud at fairpoint.net" <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>; Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org> 
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> Gesendet: 0:07 Freitag, 6.September 2013
> Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
> 
> 
> The dispute resolution page is a little bit of a mess, but we're working on streamlining things. Informal mediation was closed as it had been made largely redundant by the dispute resolution noticeboard. The same could perhaps be said about the mediation committee, but it's a long-standing process and I don't see it being closed anytime soon, regardless of how effective it is, due to its longevity, and due to the fact there'd be nowhere to take a dispute after DRN.
> 
> I did have a chat to a few folk at Wikimania and am coming up with an alternative DR process to try and take the pain out of things - DRN would have a go at resolving the dispute, and if that failed, a moderated discussion would take place where the question(s) or matters under dispute would be clearly defined, and then put to the wider community for a discussion. I believe there was recently a discussion like this on Jerusalem.
> 
> But I think the main thing that holds our processes back is a lack of involved volunteers. It causes burnout. You can't scream "aaaaaah, this process sucks and it's broken!" and expect things to magically fix itself. Getting involved will go a long way to fixing things.
> 
> Steve
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 6 Sep 2013, at 5:33 am, "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:
> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It is addressed but by a rather complicated and demanding process. See
>>>> Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Not really workable for new users who
>>>> bump
>>>> up against well-established users who have bad habits, or have learned
>>>> that nasty behavior pays off in being able to control content.
>>> Removing the mediation committee from that process might
>>> streamline things a bit. I notice the mediation cabal has closed
>>> its doors since the last time I looked.
>>> 
>>> -Chad
>> 
>> I confess I'm not up to date; hardly anyone ever tries to seriously argue
>> with me; and, often, if they do, I find something more productive than
>> arguing with an idiot. (See, I am a very bad citizen). The Dispute
>> resolution pages should be up to date and reflect current practices,
>> whatever they are; in many cases matters that once would have been
>> considered for arbitration are now handled by administrators.
>> 
>> Fred
>> 
>> 
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