[Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Philippe Beaudette]

Hi George -

I can tell you that I was in the room as this was being discussed
today. I'm fairly sure that Michelle is going to be following up on
this question shortly. It wasn't being ignored - we are just in that
territory where lawyers like to be certain that when they answer
clarifying queries like yours, they aren't accidentally muddying the
waters further. More soon.

pb

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Philippe Beaudette
Director, Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc



> On Oct 25, 2013, at 9:19 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Again I ask:
>
> Can the WMF either publicly or privately provide enough detailed assurance
> as to the digital medium storage plan for these IDs?
>
> This is or should be a no-go for requiring IDs (or at least allowing them
> to be transferred that way).
>
> I would be happy to contribute a free independent security audit to a plan,
> if there is a detailed plan to audit.  And do so under confidentiality
> agreement if you need that, as long as you let me share a non-exploitable
> summary with the community...
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Going back to the 2011 discussions on otrs lists, a flag was raised that
>> challenged whether the WMF had sufficiently secure servers to host copies
>> of ID documents that might be electronically submitted, including
>> sufficient firewalling and/or airgapping, internal access controls, etc.
>>
>> My impression was that once that was raised as a detailed concern, the
>> push died off rapidly, but I may be misremembering.
>>
>> Let me now ask - Can the WMF either publicly or privately (I live in the
>> SF Bay Area and can come over and talk) provide enough detailed assurance
>> as to the digital medium storage plan for these IDs?
>>
>> This is enough data for someone to do an identity theft with.  The
>> physical handling is relatively easy to ensure is proper (locked cabinet or
>> the like requires a physical office intrusion).  The electronic...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Rschen7754 <rschen7754.wiki at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking for myself, I have no problems with the overall idea, and I
>>> doubt that a lot of the others who have signed the petition do either.
>>>
>>> The problem is in the details of how it is implemented, and that
>>> appropriate safeguards are not written into place to protect the privacy
>>> and legal rights of those who (re)identify. I know some European users have
>>> raised concerns about how the overall policy does not work for them and/or
>>> would cause them to break the law. I don't believe that they should have to
>>> stand alone.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rschen7754
>>> rschen7754.wiki at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:07 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <marc at uberbox.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/23/2013 07:01 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote:
>>>>> (I myself can
>>>>> think of one and only one, but am curious if there are others.)
>>>>
>>>> I can also think of exactly one off the cuff (and it is almost certainly
>>>> the same); but I can think of a couple of scenarios where the dissuasive
>>>> effect alone might have made a difference.
>>>>
>>>> But my understanding is that this is prompted by a more serious focus on
>>>> accountability than over any particular incident.
>>>>
>>>> -- Marc
>>>>
>>>>
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>> -george william herbert
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