[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

Tue Oct 15 19:05:37 UTC 2013

This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like
to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me
that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real
Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write
"an article of their own" as the first thing, and are not interested
in free knowledge, free licenses etc.

I compare that to someone who wants to get a drivers license. Riding
on the highway, that's great, but learning for the theoretical exam,
few are eager to. :-)

Kind regards
Ziko

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2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.ramk at wikimedia.in>:
> That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> editing articles right away.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg
> <sosterberg at wikimedia.org>wrote:
>
>> Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.ramk at wikimedia.in>
>>
>> > Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
>> > tendency of making errors.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali at wikimedia.se>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified
>> with
>> > > something like:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
>> > > link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
>> > >
>> > > *Med vänliga hälsningar,
>> > > Jan Ainali*
>> > >
>> > > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <
>> > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
>> > > >
>> > > 0729 - 67 29 48
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin <cfranklin at halonetwork.net>
>> > >
>> > > > Hear hear.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't
>> possibly
>> > > win,
>> > > > given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
>> > > enwiki
>> > > > (see
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
>> > > > ,
>> > > > for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way
>> > someone
>> > > > gets upset.
>> > > >
>> > > > From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on
>> > the
>> > > > new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
>> > > having
>> > > > to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user
>> preferences
>> > > > page?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > > Craig
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
>> > > richard.nevell at wikimedia.org.uk
>> > > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when
>> > training
>> > > > new
>> > > > > editors isn't my preferred method.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Richard
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk <vandijk at wmnederland.nl>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hello,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
>> > > > > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning
>> of
>> > > the
>> > > > > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget
>> > that
>> > > > > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the
>> more
>> > > > > > you can reduce, the better.
>> > > > > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like
>> Wikipedia
>> > > but
>> > > > > > is best suited to use in trainings.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kind regards
>> > > > > > Ziko
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
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>> > > > > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès <charles.andres.wmch at gmail.com>:
>> > > > > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out
>> option
>> > > > > > (disable visual editor) :-(
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charles
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
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>> > > > > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador <
>> > kwadzo459 at gmail.com>
>> > > a
>> > > > > > écrit :
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> Hello Charles,
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
>> > > > process.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
>> > > > > > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box
>> > beside
>> > > > > > Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> OR
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Follow this link
>> > > > > >
>> > > >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
>> > > > > > >> Then repeat step 2 above.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Hope it helps.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Thanks.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Regards,
>> > > > > > >> Enock S. Nyamador.
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>> > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres <
>> > > > > > charles.andres.wmch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> Dear all,
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar
>> > difficulties,
>> > > we
>> > > > > > have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the
>> visual
>> > > > > editor
>> > > > > > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of
>> > editing.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for
>> a
>> > > > > > specific user?
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Thanks
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Charles
>> > > > > > >>
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