[Wikimedia-l] Global East

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi Fred,
I have no opinion on the quality of subjects that are in the English
Wikipedia. When I state that it is not neutral by omission, it means that
the same level of attention does not go to subjects like the Ottoman
Empire. Effectively I want more people to write about other cultures and
thereby raise the game.
Thanks,
     GerardM


On 14 October 2013 16:01, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:

> And that explains an article on the United States full of misinformation
> and an article on the Ottoman Empire that is somewhat better? Actually it
> does: we have considerable distance from the Ottoman Empire; and little
> ability to be objective about ourselves.
>
> Fred
>
> > Hoi,
> > Every Wikipedia has its own point of view. They are all not neutral if
> > only
> > by omission. Do consider the amount of effort that has gone in the
> > creation
> > of articles relating to the United States of America,. Compare this with
> > the coverage of the Ottoman Empire, given that the English Wikipedia is
> > used all over the world, its coverage should be of a higher standard. The
> > Ottoman Empire represents one of the more relevant civilisations, now
> > consider all the countries who are considered to be less relevant...
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> >
> >
> > On 14 October 2013 14:57, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:
> >
> >> A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine
> >> what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article.
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
> >> > Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in
> >> > the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp
> >> in
> >> > Ukraine and of Kazak WIkipedia
> >> >
> >> > The 8 minutes report is half in Swedish and half in English so a bit
> >> > hard to listen to [1]
> >> >
> >> > The most interesting parts are
> >> > *The Kazak dictator is making all academics in this country to update
> >> > the Kazan version of Wikipedia, perhaps to get it POV but mostly so
> >> they
> >> > will not be dependent of ru:wp, ie he sees it as a must to have a
> >> decent
> >> > Wikipedia version in order to be independent of the culture from
> >> Russia
> >> > *In Ukraine the former education minister (pro eu and pro Ukrainian
> >> > language) actively promoted the ua:wp so not be dependent on ru:wp.
> >> The
> >> > current minister have the opposite idea and has made Russian  an
> >> > official second language in the eastern part of Ukraine
> >> > *It seems the university students make it as almost a political
> >> choice
> >> > if to use ua:wp or ru:wp, and then in western Ukraine choose ua:wp
> >> >
> >> > The central role of Wikipedia in theses vital political issues I have
> >> > not heard of from our ordinary "western" chapters/language versions
> >> (or
> >> > is catalonian/Amical an example)
> >> >
> >> > And reflecting on this, I also think, even if independent,  of the
> >> > dramatic increase of use of arabic and indonesian wikipedia [2] .
> >> Also
> >> > of Vietnamese wikipedia which has a tremendous increase in number of
> >> > article  by intellegent use of bots. Also of the very interesting
> >> > development in India, with their many different language versions.
> >> >
> >> > We here very little (nothing?) from these interesting developments,
> >> > where we all probably can have a lot to learn
> >> >
> >> > Asaf talks of the problem of getting Global South started as there
> >> are
> >> > very weak/missing wp communities. But are we as a movement doing
> >> enough
> >> > to support the active communities and developments in the Global
> >> East?
> >> > (I can not help also think of Sues words re elections within the
> >> > movement. Do these processes conserve our existing dominance in Board
> >> > and groups of representatives coming from western world?)
> >> >
> >> > Anders
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [1]
> >> >
> >>
> http://sverigesradio.se/api/radio/radio.aspx?type=db&id=4725418&codingformat=.m4a&metafile=asx
> >> > [2]
> >> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htmtic
> >> > increase of use of arabic wikipedia
> >> >
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