[Wikimedia-l] End of the Carbon Footprint discussion - for me anyway.

Fri Oct 11 13:20:24 UTC 2013

MF-Warburg

I am now going to unsubscribe from this list (for the time-being anyway) so I am not tempted to email to enter into more discussion.  It's just not productive for me or you.

If you think that my criticisms are just about one particular article you have missed my main point, which concerns Wikipedia's credentialism and over reliance on official sources, academic and governmental, which I have often found to be suspect.

Do look at http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/is-wikipedia-too-credentialist/ for a fuller explanation.

I will continue to use Wikipedia (like so many other people) and pay my small monthly contribution to Wikimedia. 

Goodbye for now.

Best wishes

Geoff

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:17:51 +0200
From: MF-Warburg <mfwarburg at googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.
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Can this whole discussion please be moved to enwiki or at least the enwiki
list? Working out details of an article is not really the topic of this
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Am 10.10.2013 12:44 schrieb "Geoff Beacon" <geoffbeacon at sent.com>:

> Thanks James
>
> ... but that isn't an answer about carbon footprints. Climate change may
> be controversial. I'm in the thick of that argument but carbon footprints
> are simpler and fit with other information on Wikipedia. e.g. [Global
> Warming Potential] and [Carbon Dioxide Equivalent]
>
> [break]
>
> But now I've looked at those I'm very confused the "definition" of [Carbon
> Dioxide Equivalent] does not seem to be influenced by the lifetime of
> greenhouse gasses as opposed to [Global Warming Potential]. Perhaps I have
> been using a different concept of CO2e.
>
> I've noticed that PAS2050 is referenced in [Carbon footprint]. There are a
> some serious criticisms that can be made of this. As I remember it
>
> -- ignores the radiative forcing index associated with air travel,
> -- uses the unrealistic conventional wisdom of a 100 year time scale for
> calculating carbon footprint
> -- assumes all wood product will be returned to carbon dioxide
> -- but allows cement to recapture some CO2 within their time-frame.
>
> The consequences are to go easy on beef, air travel, cement, steel and
> penalise wood products. This would be inline with government political
> objectives and some commercial interests.
>
> If I were to point these things out somewhere in the [Carbon footprint]
> piece would my entry be removed? I know of no academic work that has
> received funding to make these points so there is no peer reviewed
> literature.
>
> Could I quote PAS2050 as it isn't peer reviewed?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Geoff
>
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> From: James Salsman <jsalsman at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:37:49 +0800
>
> > "The inherent complexity and controversy of carbon footprints".
> > What do you mean by that?
>
> Even those who fight for inclusion of the facts about climate change
> on Wikipedia aren't very likely to follow the peer reviewed secondary
> literature when it comes to reporting the extent of changes in extreme
> weather.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Extreme_weather&action=history
> has some good examples, with more going back years.
>
> There's really no way to get Wikipedia to correctly reflect
> controversial topics unless you are willing to invest the time it
> takes to counter conflicted interest editing.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> --
>   Geoff Beacon
>   geoffbeacon at sent.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 12:59:44 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost --
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:35:00 -0700
From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] YouTube Videos about Wikimedia-L
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Someone send me a link to this, articles being generated about Wikipedia
articles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIafRDt88NQ

based on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_outdoor_artworks_at_the_Indianapolis_Museum_of_Art

Quite funny.

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*Sarah Stierch*
*Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian*
*www.sarahstierch.com*

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:50:51 +0200
From: Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] YouTube Videos about Wikimedia-L
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It seems like the account has been removed already?

Lodewijk

2013/10/10 Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>

> Someone send me a link to this, articles being generated about Wikipedia
> articles:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIafRDt88NQ
>
> based on this:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_outdoor_artworks_at_the_Indianapolis_Museum_of_Art
>
> Quite funny.
>
> --
> --
> *Sarah Stierch*
> *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian*
> *www.sarahstierch.com*
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