[Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

[Anthony Cole]

The problem of false positives from mirrors doesn't exist if we scan edits
as they are made.

Maggie says here<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Emergency_block_of_an_editor_with_which_I_have_been_previously_involved>that
copyright bots populate
WP:SCV <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SCV> So a
similarly-configured bot could scan recent changes and tag suspected
copyvios in watchlists and page histories like suspected vandalism is
currently tagged. Ideally the edit summary would contain a url to the
suspected source. Maggie points out that those copyright bots were blocked
for a while (from scanning Google I presume) due to a negative impact on
Google, and this problem was solved by someone writing a cheque.

False positives won't be a problem, unless they're more than, say, 50%. If
a recent changes patroller can't confirm the copyvio, they can let it go.
But an editor whose "contributions" list is peppered with such warnings
would stand out like a sore thumb.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SCV>

Anthony Cole <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole>
Memberships secretary
Wiki Project Med Foundation<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:36 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner at gmail.com>wrote:

> Salut florence, i obviously need to improve my English :) Marco suggested
> human checking to avoid false positives and some annotation that it
> happened. In my eyes the cited case is a verbatim copy of some compatible
> license text which could be used as an example to demonstrate what he ment.
> I did not see such a thing up to now and would not be 100% sure how to do
> it correctly. So i asked.
>
> Rupert
> Am 15.11.2013 13:44 schrieb "Florence Devouard" <anthere9 at yahoo.com>:
>
> > Hmmmm
> >
> > Rupert,
> >
> > The case you mention is unrelated to any copyright infringement (the book
> > is explicitely published under cc by sa. So there is no copyvio). Its
> > mention here is like hair falling in soup.
> >
> > Now, I think there is a developing personal feud between you and Iolenda.
> > It sincerely saddens me to see two people I appreciate come to such a
> > situation. Would you both consider talking to each other on Skype or
> > something like this ? Alternatively, find someone neutral and nice to
> help
> > fix things so that you can come to a mutual understanding ?
> >
> > I understand that you both see things differently, but ultimately, you
> > both are here to make things move on.
> >
> > Flo
> >
> >
> > On 11/14/13 2:36 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
> >
> >> There is such a case in http://en.m.wikipedia.org/
> >> wiki/Education_in_Cameroon,
> >> reference is on the talk page. would you be so kind to mark or refer to
> it
> >> correctly?
> >>
> >> rupert
> >> Am 13.11.2013 12:46 schrieb "Marco Chiesa" <chiesa.marco at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Chris McKenna <cmckenna at sucs.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The problem isn't that we're waiting for perfection. We're waiting for
> >>>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>> proportion of false positives and false negatives to fall to a level
> >>>>
> >>> where
> >>>
> >>>> don't overwhelm the true positives.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  To avoid false positives from mirrors, the best option is to compare
> a
> >>> text
> >>> as soon as it is saved. Also, you exclude certain websites from the
> >>> comparison because you know they're the mirrors, you exclude rollbacks,
> >>> ...
> >>> Then, it is better to have a human checking that it is really a copyvio
> >>> (it
> >>> could well be a public domain text, or another Wikipedia article).
> >>>
> >>> Marco
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