[Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices (Tilman Bayer)

Fri Nov 1 08:01:40 UTC 2013

@Matthew, thanks for that detailed explanation! That is very interesting and includes a lot of information I didn't know. I am not against using the central notice for this purpose, but I just don't think it has much effect in the current implementation. In this specific case, leading the user to a page in English. I am glad to read that only English interface users like myself read the notice in English.

@Frans, no one is calling the proposal itself into question, and it was certainly not my intention to give you that impression. In fact, I think the proposal you and your team produced looks really thoughtful and good this year. This mail thread is about using central notice banners to inform the wider Dutch community and what the effect is. If you would like to thank the complimenter at the bottom of the talk page, that would be great and also indicate how open you are to discussion. The fact that WMNL can't change plans until the next general assembly doesn't mean WMNL is not open to discussion. WMNL welcomes discussion at any time of the year, or in any case on Wiki-Saturdays!

Jane
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On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Matthew Walker <mwalker at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I'm not sure who to reply to in this list to grab the appropriate sections;
> but some points about fundraising and new CN features that help reduce
> banner blindness and annoyance.
> 
> * Fundraising banners from the WMF are presently only shown to anonymous
> users. The team, as I understand it, doesn't want to display them to logged
> in users unless utterly required; otherwise we consider your donation the
> copious amount of time you spend on the site (with much thanks.)
> 
> * Fundraising banners have, for a while now, been using counter cookies to
> limit the number of impressions seen by a user. Anyone can
> include {{MediaWiki:FR2012/Resources/BannerShowHide.js}} or a similar set
> of code into their banner to accomplish the same. We do this because we get
> far fewer donations after the first couple of views and so it's our way of
> playing nice and avoiding banner blindness.
> 
> * Fundraising has traditionally used 'blank' banners to limit the number of
> slots allocated to revenue banners. Recently we released a feature called
> 'throttling' which accomplishes the same without blank banners.
> 
> * Every time I see a wiki that is using a site notice; I encourage them to
> use a CentralNotice instead for increased coordination. We now have a
> separate right for CentralNotice -- and I've been thinking for a while now
> that it wouldn't be unreasonable to give everyone with admin on any wiki
> the ability to use CN on meta.
> 
> * CentralNotice banners can be geotargetted more specifically than country.
> Use JS to query the window.Geo variable and then dynamically show/hide your
> banner.
> 
> * Right now banners are displayed in the users interface language. This
> does occasionally cause problems when people think that they are targetting
> a specific language variant wiki. I plan on releasing a major update to how
> CN banners are distributed in January which will allow targeting of both UI
> and content language.
> 
> * In general, if anyone needs help with a CentralNotice banner, I'm around
> to help on IRC and email.
> 
> ~Matt Walker
> Wikimedia Foundation
> Fundraising Technology Team
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Frans Grijzenhout <frans at wikimedia.nl>wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, this is just to point out that we organized 4 meetings with
>> WMNL members (july - sept) in order to get as much input as possible for
>> our Annual Plan and Budget 2014. We also welcomed ideas and feedback on
>> draft documents in our Newsletter and on the Dutch chapter's wiki.
>> We received lots of input, valuable ideas were raised and inserted in the
>> final plan. As a result of this procedure the Annual Plan 2014 and its
>> budget (for the larger part FDC funded) was unanimously approved during the
>> General Assembly of Sept 21.
>> Regards, Frans Grijzenhout (secretary WMNL)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/10/31 Tilman Bayer <tbayer at wikimedia.org>
>> 
>>> Hi Jane,
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> @Sue, I understand the idea behind doing this and applaud the idea -
>>>> it would be so much easier to make strategy decisions in WMNL if we
>>>> had more input from more involved people in the Dutch Wikipedia
>>>> community. I get that it is really a conflict of interest for WMNL
>>>> insiders to be the only ones to comment and approve the funds request
>>>> made by WMNL insiders. The problem with this central sitenotice, as
>>>> Romaine pointed out, is that it is in English and points to the WMNL
>>>> fund request in English.
>>>> 
>>> Actually, the banners are available in Dutch, and Romaine had said so
>>> as well. If you see them in English, one possible reason could be that
>>> your browser's interface language is set to English.
>>> 
>>> The main (global) FDC banner has been translated into over 70
>>> languages, and the general community review page that it points to is
>>> available in over 10 languages:
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/FDC_portal/Proposals/Community/Review
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Comments on the funding requests can be made in languages other than
>>> English, too. As for the funding requests themselves, yes, they are in
>>> English. I guess it would be too much of a burden for the either
>>> fund-seeking organizations or volunteer translators to provide the
>>> entire proposal form in several languages. But one idea for the future
>>> might be to make at least the shorter "overview" section of each
>>> request translatable (e.g.
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_Nederland/Proposal_form#Overview_of_grant_request
>>> ).
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tilman Bayer
>>> Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications)
>>> Wikimedia Foundation
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