[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

Craig Franklin cfranklin at halonetwork.net
Sun May 26 00:27:41 UTC 2013


Wow, I'm on the road, bur suggesting that someone ought to leave after one
public error? That's brutal. Hope I never come across you while doing my
day job!

Cheers,
Craig
On 26/05/2013 5:35 AM, "ENWP Pine" <deyntestiss at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:33:57 +0200
> > From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki at gmail.com>
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Cc: Gayle Karen Young <gyoung at wikimedia.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and
> >       other things)
> > Message-ID: <519E6115.401 at gmail.com>
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> >
> > Just in case someone wonders,
> >
> > Gayle Karen Young, 23/05/2013 06:22:
> > > [...]  goal was to ensure that the function of a wiki
> > > adminstrator, which is often identified with community
> self-governance, is
> > > clearly mapped against the governance model of the site: [...] [...]
> >
> > doesn't answers the questions on the table at all. Especially as "the
> > governance model of the site" doesn't exist at all and nobody has any
> > idea of who is going to take care of it.
> >
> > Or in other words:
> >
> > Tomasz W. Kozlowski, 13/05/2013 02:04:
> >  > Gayle Karen Young wrote:
> >  >
> >  >> Hello folks,
> >  >
> >  > [...]
> >  >
> >  >> Gayle
> >  >
> >  > So what did you want to say? I haven't been able to find any answers
> to
> >  > any questions that have been asked by so many people in this thread.
> >
> > So, to quote yourself, you committed criticism and now you're insisting
> > with stonewalling, with a flavour of defensiveness. I admit that my
> > knowledge of Gottman is limited to a recent magazine article I read by
> > chance a few days ago, so I may be wrong, but it seems to me that
> > there's little room to do worse in this relationship.
> >
> > Nemo
> >
>
>
> Nemo, I think someone posted a list of good questions in this thread awhile
> back. I tried to find them but I gave up after ten minutes. If you can
> find them
> would you please repost them? If you can't find them either then I'd ask
> you
> to repeat the questions that you remember and think are most important.
>
> Gayle, I am going to be frank. I think I know a little more about you and
> your work than the average member of this list does. I appreciate your
> explanations and apologies, but I'm continuing to have a hard time with
> this situation. With your many years of leadership experience, and in your
> position as Chief Culture and Talent Officer, it's shocking that you would
> implement such a significant change in the unprofessional way that you did,
> and of all people I would have expected you and Philippe (Director of
> Community Advocacy) to be acutely aware of our consensus-based culture
> and how to implement changes in a diplomatic and professional way. This
> situation has been a disaster for WMF-Community relations, and I'm sorry
> to say that my feeling is that the credibility of you and Philippe has been
> harmed beyond repair. Do you think you should continue to be WMF's
> Chief Culture and Talent Officer? I have a hard time believing that you
> should continue in that role after this disaster, but I want to hear your
> point of view.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
>
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