[Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

[Florence Devouard]

On 5/13/13 6:39 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
> hi Florence,
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry
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> sockpuppeting is using more than one account in the same time. There are
> legitimate situations when users have a new account set up (e.g. after
> forgetting a password). Also, some users have multiple accounts for privacy
> reasons. Finally, we also have a clean start policy, which is not
> considered improper.

Eh. I know... I was joking Dariusz. As in ... trying to lighten the 
smoky atmosphere :)

Because I disagree with Philippe on his current stance and I think his 
advice to Gayle was no good advice. But I love the guy 100% (or even 
more than 100% since I discovered he had a big boy...) so I can live 
with our disagreement anyway and forgive him for the bad move.


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> Regarding the whole crisis now, and in particular in relation to wiki (not
> blog) I believe that two things need to be separated: the decision to get
> rid of community admins from wiki, and the way it was enforced.
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> I think I'm quite neutral to the decision itself. If it is a WMF wiki, and
> if indeed there were some problems with staff being overridden by
> volunteers, I think it may perhaps make some sense to leave it to WMF.
> However, the way this change was introduced was definitely poorly planned,
> badly communicated (and not announced ahead of time), occasionally harsh,
>   quite insensitive. Also, clearly, some discussion ahead of time would be
> good - both to let people know, but also to let the community think about
> addressing the problems related to it, too.
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> I believe that especially Gayle, but also Philippe, have expressed their
> sincere apologies for the way things turned out, and for their
> unthoughtfulness prior to going through with the plan. Gayle also promised
> to reflect more on the issue once she gets back to the office. I think that
> this is quite a good way to deal with the problem.
>
> best,
>

Exactly. Well put.

Flo


> Dariusz ("pundit")
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> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Florence Devouard <anthere9 at yahoo.com>wrote:
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>> omg, he just admitted sockpupetting !!!
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>> On 5/13/13 12:35 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
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>>> Previous account, Nemo. :)
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>>> ------------------
>>> Philippe Beaudette
>>> Director, Community Advocacy
>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc
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>>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:01 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>   Philippe Beaudette, 13/05/2013 11:21:
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>>>>> I actually was, Florence :-)
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>>>> Let's see... <https://en.wikipedia.org/?**diff=prev&oldid=55625971<https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=prev&oldid=55625971>
>>>>>
>>>> First (registered user, non deleted) edit 28 May... so not 7 years yet?
>>>> ;-)
>>>> And of course answering on day counts is a very constructive way to
>>>> address Florence's points, congrats.
>>>>
>>>> Nemo
>>>>
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