[Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

[Isarra Yos]

Employees have a separate wiki specifically for employee things. The 
foundationwiki is different from that, serving as a forefront to the 
movement itself, something which we are all a part of - and that admin 
access should be reflecting people's specific type of association with 
the movement doesn't seem to be a decided fact.

On 13/05/13 07:59, Jane Darnell wrote:
> I can sympathize with the issue, namely, that it would be nice if only
> Foundation employees could be allowed admin access on their own wiki.
> I recall a similar issue (which was not so widely blown up) for our
> WMNL board wiki in the Netherlands (and yes Phoebe, that is a very
> boring wiki). I find it interesting to read Gayle's reaction, but I
> don't think she should have apologized.
>
> The way the community interacts with newbies is unforgiveable, period.
> This is a perfect example of the reason that many women will go away
> after their first few edits, or they grow some sort of special magic
> Wikipedia filter. Even if she was just the messenger and it was
> Philippe's idea, as far as the reactions to Gayle go, I agree with
> Philippe's "it's often damn hard to wade into these waters...", but I
> would rather conclude with "Staff members are Wikipedians too."
>
> And don't get me started on the concept of "higher standards"!!
>
> 2013/5/13, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki at gmail.com>:
>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
>> <nemowiki at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Casey Brown, 13/05/2013 07:05:
>>>
>>>> [...] [Note that I'm speaking generally -- I personally think Gayle can
>>>>
>>>> handle criticism and she seems very nice. She also probably had no
>>>> idea this would create dramz. My comment is directed towards the
>>>> general "omg think of the staff member!" response to criticism that is
>>>> systemic in our movement.]
>>>>
>>> Still, "omg think of the staff member!" seems to be the point Gayle and
>>> Philippe make on this thread. If history teaches something, I guess the
>>> board will soon approve a resolution to request the development of a
>>> Personal Communitymember Filter to AT LAST hide all that offensive content
>>> in our community. MediaWiki-mailman integration offers some challenges,
>>> but
>>> our commitment to openness will swiftly help, shutting down more mailing
>>> lists in favour of wiki discussions.
>>>
>>> Nemo
>>>
>> Au contraire, I feel we should all earn some kind of barnstar just for
>> participating in this discussion/situation. You know, it's kind of the
>> ultimate Wikimedian tempest: arguing over who gets to add users and delete
>> pages on what is quite possibly the world's most boring wiki[1]...
>>
>> It's also a quintessentially Wikimedian debate because there's all this
>> subtext -- assumed but not articulated -- that isn't minor at all: about
>> community ownership versus corporate control, about who has authority to
>> make decisions in what sphere, about the role volunteers play in the
>> organization, over what personal reputation means on the projects, over
>> what admin rights mean, what kind of work environment the staff have, etc..
>> I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here and guess that Gayle wasn't
>> intending to start a debate on all these big important topics, or even
>> perhaps to comment on them at all. I'm also gonna say from experience that
>> it's often damn hard to wade into these waters and take an action *without*
>> touching off a debate on all these subjects. As someone said upthread, the
>> golden rule does help, as does practice working with the wiki way, and
>> knowing all the personal ins and outs of Wikimedia and our arcane culture.
>> But *even that* doesn't always save someone from making an unpopular
>> decision, or from screwing up or not thinking through all the ways they
>> might be wading into a minefield -- and that goes for all of us, staff,
>> board, & community alike. Hey, ask me how I know.
>>
>> Sheesh, being part of the world's biggest collaborative project is hard
>> sometimes.
>>
>> -- phoebe
>>
>>
>> 1. I exempt, of course, the internal wiki at my workplace, which has won
>> the crown many years running.
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