[Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof bots)

Peter Southwood peter.southwood at telkomsa.net
Mon Jun 17 12:30:11 UTC 2013 

I agree that the 1000000th article is much better than no article on the 
subject, and I too joined the project with no previous training
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Balázs Viczián" <balazs.viczian at wikimedia.hu>
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof 
bots)


>I am totally supportive of the idea to create articles in this way if they
> are more than a simple infobox with 5-6 stats in it. The bot generated 
> form
> [1] of the millionth Swedish article is where these bot generated articles
> can start from; a useful stub. If we take seriously this "collect the sum
> of all knowledge" bla bla, then absolutely ok to generate such articles,
> moreover it should be done wherever, whenever possible (like with the
> Swedish lakes).
>
> Having zillions of articles will generate a lot of new editors from the
> simple fact that more people will have chance (and larger chance) to bump
> into wiki articles while browsing the internet. Or in an easier form:
> Wikipedia will reach more people by cover more and more topics in a more 
> an
> more detailed form.
>
> The first problem, you mention is who will maintain them. Well, probably
> those who join through this massive expansion; who are already interested
> in butterflies and actively learning about them on the net. Or those who
> find their favourite fishing lake on Wiki and add some pictures and a bit
> more detailed info about them.
>
> The other problem what you're describing is that all of these future new
> editors will be "unqualified" (ni your wording "idiots") while all the
> chapters are heavily working on "creating" qualified editors through their
> various education programs.
>
> My question is: is this really a problem? How many of you joined Wikipedia
> after being "educated" how to edit and stuff and how many of you joined by
> "bumping" into articles so many times that you've eventually started
> editing them? How many of you started as "idiots"?
>
> I did.
>
> Balázs
>
> [1]
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erysichton_elaborata&oldid=21735451
>
>
>
> 2013/6/17 Hubertl <hubert.laska at gmx.at>
>
>> Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys
>>
>> Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.
>>
>> An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to
>> breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.
>>
>> If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best 
>> way
>> to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of 
>> authors.
>>
>> Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are
>> stored in a most possible stupid form.
>>
>> I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without
>> understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about
>> knowledge, understanding and correlations.
>>
>> Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?
>>
>> Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?
>>
>> Hubertl!
>>
>> The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by
>> a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people 
>> will
>> leave this project. With certainty.
>>
>> Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys!
>>
>> Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury:
>>
>>  Congratulations swedish wikipedians!!!!
>>>
>>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive*
>>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation
>>> (OKFN)<http://www.okfn.org>
>>> Auto-confirmed, Reviewer & Roll backer Editor | Bangla
>>> Wikipedia<http://bn.wikipedia.**org/wiki/user:nhasive<http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive>
>>> >
>>> Treasurer & Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network
>>> (BdOSN)<http://www.bdosn.org>
>>> Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh
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>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  grattis mina kompisar!
>>>> *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*
>>>>
>>>> It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_**
>>>> 000.2B_articles<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles>
>>>>
>>>> wittylama.com
>>>> Peace, love & metadata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan <tonmoy.du at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Congratulations!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tonmoy
>>>>> On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" 
>>>>> <patricio.lorente at gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten <mail at anderswennersten.se>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> was a
>>>>
>>>>> bot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> generated article of a butterfly
>>>>>>> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Erysichton_elaborata<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> database
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catalogue of Life
>>>>>>> http://www.catalogueoflife.**org/services/res/2011AC_**26July.zip<http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip>which
>>>>>>> (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> million
>>>>>
>>>>>> species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> generated
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
>>>>>>> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Kandidater_2013/Sverker_**Johansson<http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> in his
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest
>>>>>>> lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> last
>>>>
>>>>> couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
>>>>>>> Cebuano-Wikipedia 
>>>>>>> http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Unang_Panid<http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> supporting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> their local community, and he is now running his bot on their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wikipedia
>>>>
>>>>> as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
>>>>>>> http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Syahan_nga_Pakli<http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli>.
>>>>>>> So perhaps at the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> end
>>>>
>>>>> of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anders
>>>>>>> PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> also
>>>>
>>>>> making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
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