[Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Sun Dec 15 09:32:58 UTC 2013

I am really interested in how you think this will work out when Commons is
going to use Wikidata. The planning is that in half a year the Wikidata
team will start work on implementing something for Commons. It will include
tagging. So for me a picture will be tagged and indicate who is in a
picture. Consequently a person can be found in any language as long as you
get the spelling right.

As it is there are plenty of people of questionable notability in Wikidata
and at the same time there are plenty notable people from many countries
lacking. If the same criteria for notability for Americans is used for the
rest of the world... the number of people known to Wikidata will grow a lot

On 15 December 2013 10:24, Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until
> Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing
> in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It
> should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when
> more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly
> identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they
> are non-notable, so introducing "tiers of notability" might be an
> interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is
> probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around)
> I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP
> subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text
> or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint
> prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to
> handle the complaints.
> 2013/12/15, Craig Franklin <cfranklin at halonetwork.net>:
> > On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg <jayvdb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin
> >> <cfranklin at halonetwork.net> wrote:
> >> > Hi Jane,
> >> >
> >> > I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment "the real BLP
> >> >> problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia
> users
> >> >> swing their weight around"
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the
> >> > reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers.
>  All
> >> ten
> >> > would probably have some truth in them, but any one in isolation would
> >> > be
> >> > inadequate.
> >>
> >> The list of problems becomes even longer for images.
> >>
> >> The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about
> >> identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography.  This
> >> new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such
> >> distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion
> >> about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people.  It
> >> should, but ...
> >>
> >
> > Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability
> requirements
> > for identifiable persons appearing in images.  While in the great
> majority
> > of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic
> > things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual
> > activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local
> community
> > might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that
> > image to remain available.  The only mechanism for getting rid of these
> is
> > effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide
> > evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be
> > taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't
> play
> > the "It's educational and under a free licence, sorry!" card.  This is an
> > issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely
> > unsatisfactory.
> >
> > Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be
> > Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not.
> >  Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to
> > everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me
> with
> > a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of
> > adequately dealing with this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Craig
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