[Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

[DAEL Dennitts]

FYI
> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:33:29 -0400
> From: meta.sj at gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier
> 
> It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how
> to manage such things with volunteers.
> 
> Another example: law reviews offer an excellent and widely reproduced model
> where the most esteemed publications are run by students.
> On Sep 24, 2012 6:33 PM, "George Herbert" <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Richard Farmbrough
> > <richard at farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 24/09/2012 03:49, Risker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> the costs of peer review
> > >
> > > I have academics complaining to me that they don't get paid for peer
> > review,
> > > so I'm not sure what these costs are.
> >
> > Someone has to edit the magazine, pre-accept papers, and handle the
> > peer reviews.
> >
> > Peer review logistics is non-trivial - identifying reviewers, ensuring
> > the reviewers review, on time, and making sure they did their work and
> > sorting it out if the answer is neither unambiguously yes or no, etc.
> >
> > I just went through this process on a system administration paper for
> > the LISA conference this year; their peer reviews were significantly
> > lower impact (few paragraphs per reviewer) and done with anonymity and
> > visibility to the author via a web tool.  They still have a couple of
> > people at HQ handling the logistics of the system and related
> > paperwork, plus the conference chair, plus the paper's individual
> > Shepherd (introduced recently).  I think they only pay their HQ staff,
> > but still non-trivial effort.  Hundreds of dollars a paper, at least,
> > and much less than other more scientific papers would take (I think).
> >
> > They're not charging authors or authors' companies/universities, and
> > the papers are open-access.  They appear to handle it as conference
> > overhead, and charge for the conferences.
> >
> > Probably can't do that for most journals, and ads with a conflict of
> > interest are taken badly...
> >
> >
> > --
> > -george william herbert
> > george.herbert at gmail.com
> >
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