[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

Wed Sep 19 11:50:01 UTC 2012

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From: Roger Bamkin <victuallers at gmail.com>
Date: 19 September 2012 12:27
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin
To: Doug Weller <dougweller at gmail.com>
Cc: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l at lists.wikimedia.org>

Name change of my user account? That is an odd request. I did look at
the policy and it says

Talk to the user

If you see a username that is problematic but was not obviously
created in bad faith, politely draw the user's attention to this
policy, and try to encourage them to create a new account with a
different username. If you want, you can use the {{subst:uw-username}}
or {{subst:uw-coi-username}} template for this.

I'm sorry if I'm not replying to all the inquiries here, but there are
a lot. I chose Victuallers Ltd as its the name I am associated with
and I wasn't aware that it had a promotional value. Changing my user
name is not an issue if it causes hassle. (I would in retrospect have
chosen my own name to edit under.) Can some send me the link of where
this user name debate is in progress?

I realise that this is a very interesting debate but do try and
remember that these facts that are being discovered are public
knowledge. The project was announced at Wikimania, no less, with a
video that set out the projects plans and expectations. The video made
it clear that the minister for tourism was involved and that this was
not a WMUK project. The project does not involve me in being paid to
create articles. I am creating plaques based on QRpedia, I am
supplying training and I am encouraging people to use and edit
wikipedia (and open street map et al).

The ownership of the QRpedia domains has been documented in WMUK
minutes and it was obvious when I made a presentation at the
Wikiconference in 2011 (before I was elected as a director). As Chris
has noted the transfer of the intellectual property to WMUK has run on
for months. There is no conspiracy. The rights to QRpedia are intended
as a gift and cannot be just demanded.

Those who voted for me and/or attended the last  wiki AGM/conference
are aware that I was (and am) offering my expertise as a consutant.
These are the same skills as I was paid for at the end of the
Monmouthpedia project. All of this was overseen by the board. The COI
conflict meant that I gladly stepped down as Chair but I was asked to
stay on as a board member. The board agreed to manage the COI
conflict, which I am obviously pleased to comply with.

I'm hoping that a lleast clears up some of the debate.

regards

Roger Bamkin (prev. known as Victuallers?)

On 19 September 2012 07:59, Doug Weller <dougweller at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I see a request to block Roger's User:Victuallers account as it is in
> contravention of our Username policy on promotional names -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy#Promotional_names
>
> Normally for an account this old (2007) we might not ask for a change
> of name, but given the circumstances I think a name change might be a
> good idea.
>
> Doug Weller
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've located some more information about Geovation now by myself:
> >
> > https://challenge.geovation.org.uk/a/dtd/119163-16422
> >
> > Wales Coast Path only: What theme of the challenge does your idea address?:
> > 3. Community engagement What problem are you trying to solve? : Green
> > tourism: what's around me? What makes it different?
> >
> > How will your idea work? : There are two parts, fist we meet local groups
> > and show them how to add information onto a Wikipedia page: and that's
> > really simple! Secondly we show them how their articles can be geotagged.
> > The best part is enjoying a walk down the path with a smart phone, with any
> > AR tagged articles shown through the camera, informing the User (tourist or
> > local) about what's around them: history of that unusual building or where's
> > the nearest Young Farmers Club? What's the name of that mountain, and
> > where's the nearest toilet! Take a look at MonmouthpediA on Wikipedia and
> > multiply it by 10!
> >
> > How will it provide a solution to the Challenge? : It's the best answer
> > possible! The local WI (or Merched y Wawr) will bring along old photographs,
> > which would be scanned in and uploaded, and their locations geotagged. They
> > would learn new skills on how to edit existing articles and how to create
> > new ones. The local chapel could write about the history of their chapel,
> > and so could the local cafe - including the opening times! Schools could
> > show off their latest Brochure for Parents and even nature clubs could write
> > about the local habitats. This is about: bringing people together in order
> > to inform walkers, cyclists and joggers what's around them.
> >
> > What is the stage of development? What help and investment you need to build
> > it?: Because Wikipedia is so simple, it's ideal for this project.
> > Communities know about the geography and history, and culture of their area
> > MUCH better than an app writer or web-author sitting in his office in
> > Manchester! Wikimedia UK would be asked to run the scheme, employing
> > Wikipedians, just as the National Library does in London... and the National
> > Museum etc. Their help would be crucial. Welsh Wicipedians have also shown
> > their enthusiasm and would filter out any unwanted vandalism. Wikipedia has
> > a proven track record: why re-create the wheel all the time? It's an app
> > which is already installed on most iPads and iPhones! Pure and simple.
> >
> > Neighbourhood Challenge only: How would you use Ordnance Survey data in your
> > solution? : See below.
> >
> > Wales Coast Path only: How will you use geographic information in your
> > solution? : Yes! Geotagging on Wikipedia is so easy! One line and the whole
> > article pops up! Through Layar (invisible to the User), we would view
> > through the camera's phone what's around us, and automatically a number of
> > Wikipedian "W"s pop up wherever the article's location is. For example, an
> > User takes a look at a cluster of mountains, and immediately the "W" shows
> > that there is an article written, so the user chooses a mountain with his or
> > her finger and they're straight into the article! And not just Cymraeg and
> > English: there are over 250 languages on Wikipedia. All articles would be
> > geographically and traditionally (OS) tagged.
> >
> > http://www.geovation.org.uk/teams-win-innovation-funding-wales-coast-path-challenge/
> >
> > Living Paths – Roger Bamkin and Robin Owain of Monmouthpedia were the pair
> > behind this idea which will allow communities along the path to create a
> > Wikipedia page and post stories about their communities allowing diverse
> > local information to become accessible. Awarded: £17,500.
> >
> > As I see it, this is a programme whereby Wikimedia UK pays Wikipedians to
> > get members of the public to become volunteer editors. You can see it as an
> > editor recruitment programme, and as a programme to secure unemployed
> > Wikipedian friends paid employment. There has been practically no discussion
> > of this on wiki to date.
> >
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Thomas Morton
> > <morton.thomas at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm, well this is getting Murkier still. Have people violated these
> >> principles.
> >>
> >> Someone on Jimbo's talk linked to this article:
> >> http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25440
> >>
> >> Which:
> >>
> >> a) Identifies Roger as WMUK director with implication he is acting in
> >> official capacity
> >> b) Says that Gibraltar approached WMUK
> >>
> >> I appreciated this is the media, so inaccuracey is likely. But I suggest
> >> we quickly resolve the following issues:
> >>
> >> * Did Gibraltar approach WMUK, or is this incorrect & they approached the
> >> Monmouthpedia orgnaisers?
> >> * If they did not approach WMUK, did they think, or were they led to think
> >> they were approaching WMUK by whoever they did approach?
> >> * Has Roger used his position as WMUK director to obtain this Gibraltar
> >> contract?
> >>
> >> I'm AGF that nothing untoward has happened here, but I suggest a statement
> >> be issued with some urgency to clear these matters up. Or it may well
> >> backfire on the charity.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On 18 September 2012 08:55, Jon Davies <jon.davies at wikimedia.org.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Indeed - I think it is even mentioned in one of our many governance
> >>> documents.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 18 September 2012 08:52, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly at pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Whilst there may be no precise misdemeanor, can we assume that our
> >>>> charity (Wikimedia UK) follows and applies the Nolan Principles to all
> >>>> Trustees?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.archive.official-documents.co.uk/document/parlment/nolan/nolan.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gordo
> >>>>
> >>>>
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