[Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

[Osmar Valdebenito]

Yes, I know ;)
But it certainly has a effect, larger or smaller.
Probably, you would be faster if you can write a report in Polish and you
discussed with others in Polish.


2012/11/16 Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj at alk.edu.pl>

> lol, I didn't want it to sound this way. I only wanted to say that none of
> the non-native speakers of English within the FDC wants to use this as an
> excuse for the lack of long detailed recommendations for each of the
> entities.
>
> dariusz
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Osmar Valdebenito <
> osmar at wikimediachile.cl> wrote:
>
>> I spent the last twenty minutes writing that mail in English and now you
>> say it is irrelevant? Boo...
>> (by the way, in my last mail I was talking more general about the
>> movement, not only about the FDC)
>>
>>
>> 2012/11/16 Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj at alk.edu.pl>
>>
>>>
>>> Also, the fact that we're not native speakers is irrelevant - all of us
>>> have experience in writing longer pieces, most of us have experience with
>>> NGO evaluation, finance, or management, and handling documents related to
>>> it. What takes much more time that actual writing down is agreeing on the
>>> message to the letter.
>>>
>>> One thing that I'm really proud of is that we have been able to work
>>> relying on the consensus principle, and many varied perspectives and
>>> different angles of analysis (including e.g. areas where we sought
>>> alternatives to  the analyses provided by FDC staff and created our own
>>> models and simulations) came down to a recommendation we all agreed that
>>> we
>>> are fine with.
>>>
>>> I don't think it is realistic now to expect that we will be able to
>>> provide
>>> detailed feedback for each of the entities, also because of the fact that
>>> we treat reaching a consensus very seriously. We have been writing and
>>> rewriting the recommendation you have seen for quite a while, to make
>>> sure
>>> that it reflects our consensus fully, and it takes time.
>>>
>>> However, I hear your feedback and all of us at the FDC will think how to
>>> make sure that the whole process, and the amount of work and discussions,
>>> is more reflected in the final outcome of a recommendation. We definitely
>>> do not want to be a professional blackbox, and we've been really making
>>> efforts to make the application and project discussion transparent and
>>> collaborative (and we do hope it will be even more so, also from the
>>> chapters' side).
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Dariusz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Osmar Valdebenito
>>> <osmar at wikimediachile.cl>wrote:
>>>
>>> > I agree that better and much more detailed reports would be great. I
>>> would
>>> > love to read what projects the FDC agrees with, which should change
>>> and so
>>> > on. But guys, the FDC is a group of volunteers with not enough time and
>>> > where few are native English speakers able to write long pages. I even
>>> > consider that the report is long enough, probably not about each
>>> chapter,
>>> > but about the process as a whole.
>>> >
>>> > Yes, it would be great to have a lot of details and I haven't seen any
>>> > problems by the FDC to provide them as long as you ask them but you
>>> can't
>>> > expect them to do all that extra work 'for free'.
>>> >
>>> > Osmar Valdebenito G.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2012/11/16 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > > I was also expecting a much more detailed report. I remember having a
>>> > > discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that
>>> she
>>> > > hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up the report. If she was
>>> > > thinking of a report like this one, then I can see why we disagreed.
>>> I
>>> > > thought a lot more time was needed because I was expecting a much
>>> more
>>> > > detailed report (about one side of A4 per application, perhaps).
>>> > >
>>> > > Report writing is something we are, as a movement, very bad at. A
>>> well
>>> > > written report can be read in isolation (with references to other
>>> > > documents for more detail if it is desired, but essential details
>>> > > should be in the report itself). It takes longer to write, certainly,
>>> > > but it takes a lot less time to read and digest, so overall a lot of
>>> > > time is saved by writing good reports.
>>> > >
>>> > > It's something that comes up annually with regards to Wikimania - we
>>> > > never get a decent report from the organisers. I also see it on a
>>> > > regular basis with Wikimedia UK - someone brings a subject to a board
>>> > > meeting for discussion without having produced a proper report on it,
>>> > > so the discussion is uninformed, unstructured and nobody knows what
>>> it
>>> > > is actually meant to achieve.
>>> > >
>>> > > Perhaps we could organise some reporting writing training for people,
>>> > > although I think the real problem is convincing people that it is
>>> > > worth doing properly.
>>> > >
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> __________________________
> dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> profesor zarządzania
> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> i centrum badawczego CROW
> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl
>