[Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

Andreas Kolbe jayen466 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 20:16:51 UTC 2012


Here is a different approach. Ask the Foundation's paid programming staff
if there is ever so much for them to do that other things they know should
be done, or that other people have asked them to do, fall by the wayside;
or how often it happens that project dates slip and deadlines are not met
because they get called off their jobs to deal with something else. Things
like that.

If the programming staff (hello?) say there aren't any significant problems
of that sort, and that having their own staff that they could delegate
parts of their work to would not lead to more things getting done, but
would only result in them sitting around playing cards, I'll shut up about


On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 July 2012 20:48, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So there were how many years of faffing about before they hired *one guy*
> > for this project? This is an organisation with a $20m annual budget, now
> > acquiring umpteen paid chapter officials.
> > Wikipedia is about as user-friendly as Wordstar was in 1985.
> Before you start in the usual fashion of "assume bad faith and
> extrapolate from there", I suggest you do a bit of reading
> (mediawiki.org, wikitech-l and *especially* wikitext-l) and find out
> what the actual problem was and why this is actually a hard problem.
> Here, I'll start you off:
> 1. No language definition.
> 2. Huge corpus of existing text in said undefined language that must
> continue to work.
> Now how about you stop ranting about how everyone must have just been
> terrible and come back with a description in your own words of the
> actual problem and what you expect would be a good plan of attack on
> it. Who knows, you might come up with something new, good and useful.
> - d.
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