[Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

[Deryck Chan]

On Jul 23, 2012 2:59 PM, "Deryck Chan" <deryckchan at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 23, 2012 11:48 AM, "aude" <aude.wiki at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Cristian Consonni <
> kikkocristian at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > 2012/7/18 Cristian Consonni <kikkocristian at gmail.com>:
> > > > I know that the feature may be perceived as invasive so I would like
> > > > that as many people as possible share their opinion on this and I
> hope
> > > > that we can anyway start a discussion that will lead to an improved
> > > > geolocalization system, whichever we found appropriate.
> > >
> > > I am sorry to insist on this issue but having received almost no
> > > answers in the past week I fear that I was not clear in my request.
> > > But I indeed have some questions, so I restate them here:
> > > * Using browser localization capabilities may be perceived as
> > > invasive. Would you like to use browser localization tool in
> > > Wikipedia? (yes/no, why?)
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I think it's invasive and Wikipedians can be quite sensitive about
> > privacy. (even if it's all in the browser, with JavaScript, etc.)   It
> may
> > not be the case everywhere, but the IP based geolocation is good enough
> for
> > purposes of geonotices.
>
> Doesn't work well enough in the UK for our purposes - there are threads
> and threads of debate on wikimediauk-l if you want to delve into that. The
> US is the exception, not the rule, in that lat-lon geolocation actually
> works to a useful accuracy.
> Deryck
>
> >
> > Right now, we pretty much opt everyone into the geonotices, though each
> can
> > be dismissed or people can turn them off with css / js.  I think people
> > would freak out about the more precise geolocation and more would opt
> out.
> >
> > (e.g. whatever happened with Twitter's geolocation?  as far as I see,
> > people don't use it much)
> >
> >
> >
> > > * Do you think the trade-off between bothering user asking to send
> > > position information and potential benefits (more accurately localized
> > >  messages) is worth?
> > >
> >
> > Not worth it.  Not enough benefit over the current approach.
> >
> >
> > > * Are you happy with the current system ?
> > >
> >
> > Yes.  Obviously the UI for the geonotice tool can use improvement, and
> > would be nice to see more geolocation functionality in CentralNotice.
> >
> >
> > > * Do you think a deeper study of the issue (i.e. a new survey,
> > > conducted on a broader sample and in a more scientifically precise
> > > way) would be useful or would help you make a more informed decision?
> > >
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Katie
> >
> >
> >
> > > * Have you any further proposal for the use of the system?
> > >
> > > Thank you, please also use the discussion page of
> > >
> > >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Geonotice#Open_questions_.28feedback_welcome.29
> > > for comments.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Cristian
> > >
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