[Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

Sun Jul 22 06:09:21 UTC 2012

Thanks John,

Thanks for your feedback, that is a good suggestion. working on New Page
Patrol.

I have been doing alot of work on this myself and have saved  a bunch of
bands etc, been contacting people on twitter and it seems that there has
been a good feedback.

Non Profit website sounds great, but I have no funds for this, Ideally we
would find a way to solve this problem.

The issue here that got me started was trying to promote wikipedia in
kosovo and albania. Did you know that people started a new group to support
wikipedia in albania, similar to flossk? http://openlabs.cc/

The problem with new articles from these places, and like india is that
they have a very high deletion rate, and we need a way to save them. I am
willing to put work into the articles on bands, artists, movies, atheletes
etc , but also websites to save them.

We just need to make a clear distinction between not-notable and what is
illegal.

mike

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> You are going to find it difficult to find people who want to give
> their time to your project, as the cost benefit ratio is very low.  If
> people had more time, they would be spending it rescuing the articles
> before deletion (on a non-profit wesbsite), rather than preparing them
> for rescuing after deletion (on a for-profit website).
>
> By reposting the content somewhere else, you are taking responsibility
> for it.  And by hosting it, Wikia is also taking responsibility for
> it.
>
> And that responsibility requires you to work with the existing system,
> warts and all.  Even good changes to the system will take a long time
> to become standard practise.
>
> Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page
> Patrol for a few days.
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mike  Dupont
> <jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > John, and others.
> >
> > I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> > deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> > fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> > now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a
> problem
> > in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> > articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> > have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> > sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is
> not
> > notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable
> artilces.
> > My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to
> be
> > hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
> > through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
> > thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
> > article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
> > many times.
> > Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
> > willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
> > Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
> > bring up this up in response to your mail.
> >
> > Please see
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
> > and
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F
> >
> > thanks
> > mike
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately.
> >>
> >> and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
> >> causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
> >> content from Wikipedia.  i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
> >> to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
> >> going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
> >> - its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
> >> to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
> >> and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
> >> historically.
> >>
> >> e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD
> >> debates (Biographical)"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua
> >> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua
> >>
> >> Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
> >> the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed.  I assume  __NOINDEX__
> >> works on Wikia?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
> >> > that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
> >> > given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
> >> > contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
> >> > defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
> >> > deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
> >> > or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
> >> > will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
> >> > attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
> >> > you plan to address it?
> >> >
> >> > Newyorkbrad
> >> >
> >> > On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont <jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
> >> minutes
> >> >> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
> >> and
> >> >> hoaxes, not others).
> >> >> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script
> are
> >> all
> >> >> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
> >> codebases.
> >> >> hope you enjoy it,
> >> >> thanks,
> >> >> mike
> >> >> --
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<http://flossk.org>Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion
http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com
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