[Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

[Michael Peel]

Hi Gregory,

Could I ask a related common question - why not just send these out on WikimediaAnnounce-l?

Thanks,
Mike

On 30 Jun 2012, at 06:49, Gregory Varnum wrote:

> Cross-posting.
> 
> -greg
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>> From: Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum at gmail.com>
>> Subject: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers
>> Date: 30 June, 2012 1:23:11 AM EDT
>> To: wikitech-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Following discussions with Wikimedia developers more on the "fringe" and not as engaged in frequent IRC or mailing list conversations, the request for an announcements only mailing list came up.  I wanted to let folks know that this list has been created and is ready for membership:  https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-announce  -  wikitech-announce at lists.wikimedia.org  There will also be a signup list for this and other lists at Wikimania Hackathon.
>> 
>> Unlike this list, which allows for discussion, or the MediaWiki-announce list, which focuses exclusively on MediaWiki release announcements, wikitech-announce will be used for occasional announcements on both MediaWiki and broader Wikimedia developer related news items.  This includes an announcement when monthly tech or engineering reports are posted, important news updates on git or developer related tools, and information on upcoming sprints, events or other major developer collaborations.
>> 
>> Having presented this idea a few times, there are some common questions I will get out of the way now.
>> 
>> Why not just send these out on MediaWiki-announce?  There was quick reaction from several of these less-engaged developers that some really did want JUST MediaWiki release info sent out on that list.  In other words, the audience of that list did not like the idea.
>> 
>> Will this duplicate emails sent to wikitech-l?  Probably, but it is not designed for folks already utilizing wikitech-l - it is designed for folks who would like less email traffic and want announcements - not conversations.
>> 
>> Is this really going to save folks that many emails?  In June, the wikitech-l list had 639 individual messages (so far).  It is unlikely that this list would exceed 12 a month.  For reference, MediaWiki-announce has sent out 3 messages this month and mediawiki-l had 121 messages.  This list presents a middle ground between the two extremes.
>> 
>> Do we not already have enough lists?  Yes, but as our developer community grows, so too must our means of communicating.  Many individuals, myself included, have been intentionally trying to engage developers generally less present, but just as important to our community.  Such as corporate developers with an interest in sharing extensions who can benefit from announcements about git.  Similarly, some students would prefer to get basic info that helps them stay on top of the latest developments.
>> 
>> Generally, if you find yourself having a concern about this list, it is probably not the list for you to join.  However, if you find yourself excited at the idea of less development chatter while remaining informed, this might just be the list for you.
>> 
>> Thank you to Sumana and TheHelpfulOne for supporting this effort and to Daniel Renfro for proposing this idea and getting the discussion started.
>> 
>> I have volunteered to moderate the list at its start, but will be interested in recruiting others that are willing to help.  Anyone with an announcement can submit one, and a moderator will approve messages which fit within the list's scope.
>> 
>> Finally, like any new tool, I anticipate its usage will evolve over time - so please do engage in discussion on any ideas you may have for its future.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> -greg aka varnent
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