[Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

Anonymous User wikifriend2001 at gmail.com
Fri Dec 28 11:32:49 UTC 2012

Thank you everyone for your help, and I especially appreciate Sumanah for
setting up the bug and making the RT ticket happen. Unfortunately, I cannot
track the progress of the RT ticket, but I am sure someone will keep us
posted on the Bugzilla bug or on this list.

Eternal gratitude to everyone involved!

Regarding the discussion about the IP, here are my thoughts, but maybe I am
missing a number of the technical intricacies here:

I am not sure if I understand correctly, but having access through the IP
does not seem to improve the situation. Remember that access through https
is perfectly possible. So for anyone who really wants to access the wiki
and knows about the https-access, they can.

The problem are those people that do not know about it. There are no people
coming to the Uzbek Wikipedia through search engines, because they link to
the http-protocol version of the URLs. That is why making the https-Version
canonical and thus the addresses the search engines eventually point to
much more useful.

One could make the IP-Adress directly canonical -- otherwise setting up
this extra-IP would not bring any advantage -- and thus avoid DNS, but this
is not required to resolve the current problem, and it sure would not be
very pretty. Also, IP-banning a single IP through an ISP is all but hard
for an ISP. And anyway, it would need to be configured to setup a canonical
URL, which is the currently suggested next step anyway.

Therefore I would suggest to refrain from setting up a specific IP (besides
the technicality of having too few IPs around), at least for now, and
concentrate on canonizing the HTTPS protocol (as summed up in the Bug).

Thank you again!

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 3:05 AM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb at gmail.com> wrote:

> How many languages _need_ this?
> Is it only one language-project?
> If you only need one IP address, to avoid censorship by one country, it
> should be achievable.
> John Vandenberg.
> sent from Galaxy Note
> On Dec 28, 2012 4:21 AM, "Leslie Carr" <lcarr at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wish that and
> > > would work, too, but the
> > > foundation apparently can't or chooses not to afford separate IP
> > > addresses for each language's Wikipedia.
> >
> > As one of the network folks, I will answer this.   We do not have
> > enough public IP(v4)s for an address for each language in each
> > project, and unless someone gives us a major donation of IPv4
> > addresses (anyone have a spare /20 laying around?), I don't think we
> > will be able to make this happen as we are frugal with our existing
> > IPs and the allocating authorities (RIPE and ARIN) are being quite
> > strict with their new IPv4 allocations.
> >
> > If you'd like to read more about IP allocation policies, here's a few
> links
> > https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four3
> > https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_depletion.html
> > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-553 (see section 5.6)
> >
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> > --
> > Leslie Carr
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > AS 14907, 43821
> > http://as14907.peeringdb.com/
> >
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