[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 30

Wed Apr 11 06:47:32 UTC 2012

Demo snt mail frm BB 12-30

On 10/04/2012, wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org
<wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to
> 	wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	wikimedia-l-owner at lists.wikimedia.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds	Dissemination
>       Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede)
>    2. Re: Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory meeting in
>       NY, April 12th. (David Gerard)
>    3. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds	Dissemination
>       Process Advisory Group (Jan-Bart de Vreede)
>    4. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination
>       Process Advisory Group (Thomas Dalton)
>    5. IRC office hours with the Localisation team	2012-04-18 16:30
>       UTC (Siebrand Mazeland (WMF))
>    6. Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination
>       Process Advisory Group (Samuel Klein)
>    7. Sister Projects Committee (Thehelpfulone)
>    8. BBC Open Content (Richard Symonds)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:54:48 +0200
> From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
> 	Dissemination Process Advisory Group
> Message-ID: <37B6DB8B-BE16-47EF-AD30-8562CDB61885 at wikimedia.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I was assuming that the questions were asked to Barry, who would know the
> answer. I would not presume to do it for him, and I do not know the best
> answer :)
>
> What I was literally reacting to was your assumption that because no one has
> told you why it is necessary, it must be unnecessary. I assume that Barry
> has a good reason for doing things the way he plans to do them. It is fine
> to ask questions and clarification, but lets assume that he thought about
> this and has good arguments :)
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
> On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:09, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> On 10 April 2012 12:57, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Why do you insist that overhead on getting this right is unnecessary?
>>> Looking at the amount of money that this committee will distribute and
>>> the importance of getting it right I would argue that a significant
>>> investment is more than warranted.
>>
>> Because nobody has told me why it is necessary. Of course we need to
>> get it right, but I don't think that requires this much time and money
>> to be dedicated to it. If it really does need it, then of course we
>> should spend it, but we shouldn't spend it without a very clear reason
>> for doing so.
>>
>> I've asked a very simple question, could you answer it? What questions
>> do you want this process to answer? What it is about the FDC that we
>> don't yet know and need to devote a lot of time and money to working
>> out?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list
>> Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:54:56 +0100
> From: David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: "Free Culture Conservancy" exploratory
> 	meeting in NY, April 12th.
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAJ0tu1G+BqN1RwZUytjQ92sb7-8V4juyEvqUK3Z1GfTAJfhDoQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 10 April 2012 13:42, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> a) acquire copyrights (probably by bequest) in order to freely license
>> them;
>> b) act as a clearinghouse to support "selling" the free licensing of
>> creative works (we pay you $1,000, you release your novel as CC-BY-SA)
>> c) support people contesting dubious takedown notices
>> d) support and train people in freely licensing their own work
>> (distribution logistics, negotiating with publishers, etc)
>
>
> There are people trying to do this with out-of-print science fiction,
> for example. AIUI, one of the big problems is author's estates with
> wild ideas of what an out-of-print midlist novel from the 1960s is
> actually worth (demanding ~$100k, etc). It's a tricky one. But
> successes would presumably snowball.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:56:52 +0200
> From: Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
> 	Dissemination Process Advisory Group
> Message-ID: <FBBA7E53-E9CF-4096-9D66-1B5F179FD99F at wikimedia.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:31, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> On 10 April 2012 13:25, Christophe Henner <christophe.henner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Here is my understanding of the goal of this committee, but I might be
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> The board defined the broader lines of the committee, but did not tackled
>>> the operational details. Bridgespan is there to work on that, and the
>>> Advisory Groups is there to help them define the operational details.
>>
>> Can you elaborate on what you see as being the "operational details"
>> that need to be defined?
>
> Sure
>
> "just about everything"
>
> as in
>
> 1) Who should be on this committee
> 2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants for
> example)
> 3) What are criteria
> 4) What is the process/timeline
>
> + 401 other things that we can come up with as questions.
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list
>> Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:59:02 +0100
> From: Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
> 	Dissemination Process Advisory Group
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALTQcccBwEbOA3txzuMu1ttkcWXaSP2cUH5V7gYbpkUtQfxi0g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 10 April 2012 13:56, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> Sure
>>
>> "just about everything"
>>
>> as in
>>
>> 1) Who should be on this committee
>> 2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants
>> for example)
>> 3) What are criteria
>> 4) What is the process/timeline
>>
>> + 401 other things that we can come up with as questions.
>
> But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or
> controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our
> standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns
> out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate
> approach then.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:10:23 +0200
> From: "Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)" <smazeland at wikimedia.org>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team
> 	2012-04-18 16:30 UTC
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAMoMWq1rCmOYC_gx8TqY43MZ+FPXrSiErCmr+AZM1DYJTxDokA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I just wanted to give advance notice about IRC office hours with the
> Localization team [1] at the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> Date: 2012-04-18 (every third Wednesday of the month from now on)
> Time: 16.30 UTC
> Venue: #wikimedia-office
>
> As usual, more logistical info and time conversion links are available
> on Meta.[2] For a taste of what the localization team has been up to,
> I highly recommend the blog posts we are have written since out last
> office hours in February.[3]
>
> Thanks, and we'll talk to you later next week!
>
>
> --
> Siebrand Mazeland
> Product Manager Localisation
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> 1. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team
> 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
> 3.
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-localization/
>
> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:37:38 -0400
> From: Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds
> 	Dissemination Process Advisory Group
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAAtU9WL9U6qTLGFG8V3qfXD5MDnXpqD_92WxRHogRWsbPAu7dA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or
>> controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our
>> standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns
>> out we can't answer them that way, then we can try a more elaborate
>> approach then.
>
> Naturally the process should be public and inclusive.
> I expect most of this group's work would involve open discussion on wikis.
> Wiki discussions can be enhanced by calls and in-person meetings,
> suitably transcribed and shared - especially when getting input from
> people who are not active wiki users.
>
> A structure and timeline for work, and a group of committed good-faith
> participants to provide a steady core for ongoing discussion, is a
> good idea for any time-sensitive project.  We don't want to appoint
> FDC members themselves without more discussion and perhaps a
> distributed selection process, but the background work should begin as
> soon as possible.
>
> As to 'which things would be controversial': as you demonstrated here,
> even simple discussions can be dominated by a determined critic.
>
> SJ
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:50:21 +0100
> From: Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Sister Projects Committee
> Message-ID:
> 	<CADcRDcZS=7gh=opwZmBx3-7Dv1yksMPE629Nm8it4UH2+hjCkQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi all,
>
> The Sister Projects Committee is now a more formal committee, and as such,
> there's a list of things to do at <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sister_Projects_Committee#Task_list>. The
> plan is to discuss all the topics on the talk page and this mailing list
> when we are looking for wider community input. If you are interested in
> joining the committee or helping out, please have a look at the talk page, <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sister_Projects_Committee>, where I've
> split up each topic area into a different section so that discussions can
> take place.
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to ask on this mailing list or on the
> talk page. :-)
> --
> Thehelpfulone
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone
> English Wikipedia Administrator
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:54:14 +0100
> From: Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
> To: wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BBC Open Content
> Message-ID: <4F8457A6.8060707 at wikimedia.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Looks like the BBC are now starting to use goodly amounts of open
> content. One that's caught my eye is a piece on the seige of Sarajevo,
> part of which is CC-BY-SA licenced, at
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17617775.
>
> Richard Symonds
> Office&  Development Manager
> Wikimedia UK
> +44 (0) 207 065 0992
> --
> Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company
> Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th
> Floor, Development House,  56-64 Leonard Street,
> London EC2A 4LT.
> Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
> organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
> its contents.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list
> Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>
>
> End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 30
> *******************************************
>