[Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

[M. Williamson]

And if I were to ask the community to make it? I would be perfectly willing
to do the same thing. This should not be relevant in Wikimedia. If a
pedophile says "We should put a picture of a naked child on every page of
Wikipedia!", we should refute his idea on its merits, not based on the fact
that he's a pedophile. I have been thinking for a long time now that ku.wp
should be moved to kmr.wp, I am just not a big fan of all of the bureaucracy
and so avoided doing it myself. Now someone else has done it, and I support
it.

So it really bothers me that you're judging a proposal based on the
(supposed) ethnicity of the person who suggested it, especially since the
proposal has always had merit and I could've easily been the proposer
myself. If an argument has no merit, then say so based on the argument. Ad
hominem is never right, and that's actually exactly what you've done here.


2011/9/16 Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>

> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:45 PM, M. Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let me add to this that some of the same people compared my actions, in
> > supporting a technical move to change the ISO code of a Wikipedia, to
> those
> > of a group of Turkish soldiers who attempted to murder Kurdish women and
> > children. This game of nationalism and accusations is nothing new on
> > Wikipedia. I have been called a Russian, a Soviet, a Jew, a Kurdish
> > nationalist and many other things.
> >
> > I was even told once that I was an official enemy of the Romanian people
> and
> > that my name and face had been stored in a secret Romanian government
> > database of enemies of the Romanian nation and that I would be targeted
> for
> > elimination. So please, let's keep nationality out of this. I am not
> Turkish
> > but I am a linguist and a geek and this move makes linguistic and
> technical
> > sense. I am more a supporter of the aspirations of peoples to be
> > independent, but I'd rather not take sides in every single geopolitical
> > conflict because this does not need to be tied to that. It is a simple
> > technical and linguistic issue with two options for a solution that
> should
> > be chosen based on common sense, not nationalist sentiments or loyalties,
> > and I have chosen my side without those unnecessary influences.
> >
> >
>
> Mark, your objections would make sense if I had only said "Oh by the
> way, he's Turkish." I didn't. As a matter of fact, White Cat has an
> extensive history of being subject to dispute resolution, editing
> restrictions, blocks etc. for disruptive editing with a Turkish
> nationalist point of view. While I do understand that you may
> disagree, I personally think that strongly held biases in the matter
> at hand are relevant to the decision he asks the community to make.
>
> Nathan
>
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