[Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a BadIdea, part 2

[Aphaia]

Well, I would have liked to mean, English speaking people is only 2/60
global population, it would be obvious though, I'd like to give a stat
collection.

Cheers,

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:03 AM,  <susanpgardner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry for top-posting.
>>
>> Austin, think about who "everyone" is.  The folks here on foundation-l are not representative of readers.  The job of the user experience team is to try to balance all readers' needs,
>
>
> Sue, not personal, but I think here I say, joining to the choir which
> Jon and Eia began:
> while English Wikipedia is the most visited websites of the Wikimedia,
> it is only 50% and most of its readers are English Speaking. They have
> no good reasons I believe to representative the rest of us non-English
> speaking people who are 2/60 of this planet.
>
> What is the good reason usability team thought data from English
> Wikipedia visitors' behaviors and alone were enough to design for all
> other 200+ languages' readership? It looks me an obvious mistake in
> opposition of your statement.
>
>  which is not easy, and will sometimes involve making decisions that
> not everyone agrees with. People here have given some useful input,
> but I think it's far from obvious that the user experience team has
> made a "mistake.". (I'm not really intending to weigh in on this
> particular issue -- I'm speaking generally.)
>>
>> Aryeh Gregor has said a couple of very smart things in this thread, particularly this bit I'll quote below:
>>
>> "Users don't explicitly complain about small things.  They
>> especially don't complain about things like clutter, because the
>> negative effect that has is barely perceptible -- extra effort
>> required to find things.  But if you take away a feature that's
>> important to a small number of users, or that's well established and
>> people are used to it, you'll get lots of complaints from a tiny
>> minority of users.  Basing development decisions on who complains the
>> loudest is what results in software packed with tons of useless and
>> confusing features and lousy UI.  Like most open-source software,
>> including MediaWiki.  Good design requires systematic analysis,
>> ignoring user complaints if the evidence indicates they're not
>> representative."
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sue
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Austin Hair <adhair at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:56:26
>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List<foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad
>>        Idea, part 2
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM, David Levy <lifeisunfair at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Austin Hair wrote:
>>>
>>>> And yes, I'll echo others when I question the original rationale and
>>>> suggest that the interpretation of what very little data was collected
>>>> is completely wrong, but I think I'll direct my focus toward a
>>>> practical fix, rather than just calling the usability team stupid.
>>>
>>> Your last sentence surprised me, as I haven't seen anyone opine that
>>> the usability team is stupid (and I certainly am not suggesting
>>> anything of the sort).  Everyone makes mistakes, and we believe that
>>> one has been made in this instance.  As for a practical fix, one
>>> actually was implemented (and quickly undone).
>>
>> Sorry if that wasn't clear—I didn't mean to indict you or anyone else
>> for doing that; all I meant was that although I, personally, could
>> easily focus on mistakes the usability team made, the way forward is
>> to simply fix it to everyone's satisfaction.
>>
>> Austin
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