[Foundation-l] Moderation (was: should not web server logs (of requests) be published?)

KIZU Naoko aphaia at gmail.com
Wed Dec 1 07:47:30 UTC 2010

I love your recent message, Birgitte, it was well written and
thoughtful. On the other hand I'm doubtful it worked to cool down
those who got involved: some may have taken it to lose his face, or
not. Things may sometimes work weirdly, out of control and original

Not saying the best, but other way of attempt to cool down is to speak
off-list. Heuristically it works often. Not always, though. There
would be no snake oil.

After I mentioned Wikimedia troll, Will thought it meant him and sent
me some mails. I told him it was an in-joke (Bostonian Maniacs may
remember that) but not further. Besides annotation to a joke is dull,
apparently he was caught in a bad faith and no further words might
work I foresaw.

Not only ban but also moderation shouldn't be taken lightly. I think
however our moderator acted rightly in this case. Hope this moderation
works to a good direction as intended.

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Ryan Lomonaco <wiki.ral315 at gmail.com>
>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 7:37:17 PM
>> Subject: [Foundation-l] Moderation (was: should not web server logs (of
>>requests) be published?)
>> - Non-moderators should feel free to take a more active role  in cooling down
>> discussions.  Moderators can't watch the list 24/7, and  just one post
>> imploring a few heated participants to think before they hit  "send" can be
>> very helpful.
> My last message to Will was not the best I could have sent.  I rushed it off as
> I was finishing a continually interrupted lunch with only two drafts.  I have
> found that nearly every single message that I have sent here which has
> noticeably provoked others or escalated a thread has been one I did not spend
> much time on.  Of course I think they are perfectly good when I send them.  I am
> quite fond of what I come with to say and I *always* initially think everything
> I write is clever and calm. But if give myself enough time for that first blush
> of vanity to fade, I will usually drastically rewrite my draft. Most of the time
> I draft a message four or five times. A particularly long message either sits
> overnight or through a commute.  And for every four times I hit reply and start
> to write I probably only send three emails or else cut out 80% of the early
> draft.  Sometimes it only take three sentences and sometime three drafts before
> I realize there no helpful way for me to respond to something. But generally
> speaking it is hard to hold on to a bad idea for very long without recognizing
> it for what it is. I imagine everyone has different thresholds for this and I
> can't imagine that anyone contributes to this list so that they might have
> platform on which to be a jerk. But if there is anyone who sends on every
> message they begin to write in less than five minutes please consider that
> either you should apply for sainthood or that some percentage of your messages
> are contributing a problem here.  It would be really nice if the percentage of
> provocative messages could be lowered and I intend to try do my part in that.
> Birgitte SB
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KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子
member of Wikimedians in Kansai  / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp

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