[Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
If people want to express themselves in a discriminatory way, they can do
soelsewhere. When people vote against someone with the motivation that the
person is black, then indeed we are better off without him. I am all in
favour of freedom of expression, but this is not a debating club.
Discriminatory opinions and practices are not acceptable and consequently
votes expressing such opinions and practices are not acceptable either.
Thanks,
      GerardM

2009/2/13 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>

> So we don't believe in freedom of expression?
>
> When somebody in a position of authority abuses that power and
> discriminates, yes, their power should be removed and possibly they
> should be blocked. But in the case of someone saying "I vote no
> because this person is black", their vote should just be discounted.
> They are entitled to their opinion.
> skype: node.ue
>
>
>
> 2009/2/13 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> > Hoi,
> > The pope has it right when he does not accept at all the notion that the
> > holocaust did not occur. People may have this opinion, but that does not
> > mean that you have to accept that they may express their opinions
> > everywhere.
> >
> > It is one thing to have unacceptable opinions, it is another to express
> > them. Our projects are not a platform for agitation. I do welcome the
> > blocking of obvious discriminatory practices in any of our projects.
> > Thanks,
> >       Gerard
> >
> > 2009/2/13 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
> >
> >> Blocked? I don't think we should ever block anybody for having an
> >> opinion. If they push their POV in articles, fine; if they use racial
> >> slurs repeatedly, sure, but even if someone is of the opinion that
> >> white or black or Asian people, or women or men or anybody else, is
> >> "scum", or any opinion like that, it shouldn't be a blockable offense
> >> to just hold such an opinion.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> skype: node.ue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/2/12 Yann Forget <yann at forget-me.net>:
> >> > geni wrote:
> >> >> 2009/2/9 Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de>:
> >> >>> Surely is this a prejudice. Because there is no data that support
> such
> >> >>> an assumption. In the eight years since the being of Wikipedia I
> don't
> >> >>> know any such case happend on any Wikimedia project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ting
> >> >>
> >> >> Prejudice? We know Iran's record on human rights and we know Iran's
> >> >> record of responding to speech they do not like (calling for the
> >> >> assassination the citizen of another country for example).
> >> >>
> >> >> The available evidence is that the Iranian government is a potential
> >> >> threat and unlike western governments don't have to worry about
> >> >> annoying laws and bad PR if they try anything.
> >> >
> >> > And how this relate to the status of stewarship?
> >> > Would you accept that someone be rejected because he is Muslim or Jew?
> >> > or because he is black or white? This is exactly the same to me, i.e.
> >> > not acceptable.
> >> > Such allegations should not be accept in any Wikimedia projects, and
> any
> >> > user using these should be blocked.
> >> >
> >> > Yann
> >> > --
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