[Foundation-l] Request for Help: Spanish Betawiki Localization

[Mark Williamson]

You are putting words in my mouth.

Mark

skype: node.ue



2009/2/12 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> Hoi.
> Let me be specific. The Spanish localisation is not complete for the
> localisation for the extensions that are used by the Wikimedia Foundation in
> its projects. Consequently the users of Wikimedia Foundation projects suffer
> from a sub optimal user experience. Crazy Lover is asking for people to help
> with the localisation.
>
> All this has nothing to do with all the other extensions that people and
> organisations use outide of the WMF. When I state that what you do is not
> helpful, it is exactly because your wrong headed appreciation of the
> situation prevents people from collaborating with the localisation of
> MediaWiki in the first place.
>
> MediaWiki is a Wikimedia Foundation project. When you equate this as meaning
> that MediaWiki is only for Wikimedia Foundation projects, spout this opinion
> on the Wikipedia-l or other places where such narrow interpretation is
> perhaps welcome. Or are you of the opinion that MediaWiki is not a full
> project in its own right??
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> 2009/2/12 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
>
>> Right, but this is Foundation-l, not MediaWiki-l. It's great that
>> other people besides WMF use MediaWiki, but those aren't projects I
>> particularly care about. I'm sure you won't appreciate that sentiment,
>> but I know I'm not alone in that.
>>
>> skype: node.ue
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/2/12 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
>> > Hoi,
>> > Your answer is not helpful. FIrst of all, 100% of the core messages and
>> 100%
>> > of the messages of extensions used by the WMF are needed to give people
>> who
>> > do not speak English the service that they deserve. Spanish is doing
>> better
>> > at the moment then it has done before. Second of all it is rather
>> parochial
>> > to think that translatewiki,net (aka Betawiki) is only about the WMF
>> > projects. It is great that MediaWiki is used elsewhere as well. Also many
>> of
>> > those "other" extensions are waiting to be assessed before they can be
>> used
>> > in WMF projects.
>> >
>> > If anything, it is great when active people support their language. When
>> it
>> > comes to providing service to our users 100% is good enough.
>> > Thanks,
>> >      GerardM
>> >
>> > 2009/2/12 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
>> >
>> >> Of course they will, but I feel that Gerard's message was a bit
>> >> misleading. What percentage of the untranslated messages would
>> >> actually help the usability of the Spanish Wikipedia, vs. non-WM
>> >> projects?
>> >>
>> >> skype: node.ue
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2009/2/11 Meno 25 <meno25wiki at gmail.com>:
>> >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>> >> >> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hoi,
>> >> >> > I am afraid you do not appreciate the importance of localisation.
>> Yes,
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> > are thousands of messages and it is possible to have them all
>> >> translated.
>> >> >> > Tagalog is proof that a full localisation is possible. It was done
>> in
>> >> a
>> >> >> > relatively short period of time and I am convinced that the Tagalog
>> >> >> > Wikipedia will benefit as a consequence.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > When "Crazy Lover" asks people to help with the localisation of
>> >> Spanish,
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > sympathise with his request. It is important that people help. I do
>> >> not
>> >> >> > understand the lack of awareness of why localisation is important.
>> I
>> >> >> truly
>> >> >> > hope that many people will respond to CML's request because it will
>> >> add
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> > important part to the Spanish language projects; the ability for
>> >> people
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> > do not speak English to understand what is being asked of them in
>> the
>> >> >> User
>> >> >> > Interface. The UI does not only consist of the core messages.
>> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> >       Gerard
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The point is that many of the missing ones are not even used on
>> >> >> wikimedia, so their priority sinks for the userbase.
>> >> >> Urging a translation saying it will benefit wikipedia doesn't seem to
>> >> >> follow logically (blahtex? are we replacing the latex engine? asksql?
>> >> >> , etc.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Mediawiki extensions are not written for Wikimedia only. Non-Wikimedia
>> >> wikis
>> >> > will benefit greatly from the localistaion of these extensions.
>> >> >
>> >> > --User:Meno25
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Currently
>> >> >> 100% of core messages, 99.96 of mediawiki messages and   88.4% of
>> >> >> anything wikimedia uses is already translated that's a fair share and
>> >> >> a huge number of translations, and it's certainly much much more than
>> >> >> 58%. The rest is extensions that will never be used on wikimedia or
>> >> >> aren't yet available.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So I understand importance of translation, but I don't see the how
>> >> >> misrepresenting the numbers does any good.
>> >> >>
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